Page 2 of 5

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 21 Jan 2010, 14:27
by Bertrand
Hello,

regarding the Splendor Solis, I seem to remember somewhere an analysis where it was theorized that the fact there were 22 images in them might be kind of a caricature or inside joke about Tarot cards. Don't have further references right now, and it might be quite a modern analysis that simply takes the counterpart from alchemical interpretations of Tarot.

Bertrand

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 21 Jan 2010, 15:06
by Huck
Hello,

regarding the Splendor Solis, I seem to remember somewhere an analysis where it was theorized that the fact there were 22 images in them might be kind of a caricature or inside joke about Tarot cards. Don't have further references right now, and it might be quite a modern analysis that simply takes the counterpart from alchemical interpretations of Tarot.

Bertrand
It sounds, as if you've read my own article ... :--)
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=402

Indeed a possibility, the Germans of the 1520s/30s often showed some sarcastic humor. The text is said to have been originated in Augsburg, the place of the Fugger. If somebody knew, how to become rich, it was Fugger. And he probably knew, that he couldn't make gold and probably also knew, that others couldn't do either, otherwise he would have noted it ... in his role as a super banker, who likely had his nose and ears everywhere.
But probably he knew persons, which claimed, they could do it, and others, who wished money from him, that they could invest in this "golden business". And if he didn't like them, he gave them the money, but demanded high securities.

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 20 May 2010, 03:09
by mmfilesi
There is another very interesting book, Trionfo di Fortuna, by Segismundo Fanti (Venezia, 1526).

But it has a very strange structure. By steep:

1. 72 questions >

2. 12 Fortunes, each with 6 questions (equal 72) >

3. 12 Houses, each with 6 questions (equal 72) >

4. 72 Wheels, each with 21 directions (For the 21 combinations of two dices) (equal 1512) >

5. 36 spheres, each with 42 directions (equal 1512) >

BUT!

6. 72 astrologers, each with 22 answers: equal 1584! :-o

This means that there are 72 answers to never be reached. Needless an answer for every astrologer. Its 21 + 1, where 1 is impossible to caught???????

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 25 May 2010, 09:20
by Huck
mmfilesi wrote: BUT!

6. 72 astrologers, each with 22 answers: equal 1584! :-o

This means that there are 72 answers to never be reached. Needless an answer for every astrologer. Its 21 + 1, where 1 is impossible to caught???????
Possibly for the case, that one die rolled off from the table or didn't turn clearly to one side.

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 25 May 2010, 10:13
by mmfilesi
Possibly for the case, that one die rolled off from the table or didn't turn clearly to one side
Sorry Huck. I don't understand well.

1. 72 questions >

2. 12 Fortunes, each with 6 questions (equal 72) >
f_1.jpg
f_1.jpg (97.47 KiB) Viewed 6213 times
3. 12 Houses, each with 6 questions (equal 72) >
f_2.jpg
f_2.jpg (91.09 KiB) Viewed 6213 times
4. 72 Wheels, each with 21 directions (For the 21 combinations of two dices) (equal 1512) >
f_3.jpg
f_3.jpg (91.51 KiB) Viewed 6213 times
5. 36 spheres, each with 42 directions (equal 1512) >
f_4.jpg
f_4.jpg (99.49 KiB) Viewed 6213 times
6. 72 astrologers, each with 22 answers: equal 1584
f_5.jpg
(170.61 KiB) Downloaded 646 times
**************

There are 72 answers, one by an astrologer, that are unnecessary. You can not reach them. Its a structure 21 + 1, where one can never be caught.

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 25 May 2010, 10:25
by Huck
Well, a throw with 2 dice is either regular (21 possibilities) or irregular (for instance: a die drops from the table) ... so a 22th possibility, and so 22 x 72 instead of 21x72

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 25 May 2010, 10:42
by mmfilesi
The instructions are clear. Or you throw two dice (21 possibilities) and check the upper wheel; or consulted when its made the question (and look the lower wheel). There are only 21 chances per wheel.
f_grande.jpg
(239.55 KiB) Downloaded 642 times

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 25 May 2010, 10:43
by Ross G. R. Caldwell
The two dice are only rolled in the wheels with 21 results, step 4 of the consultation. This leads to the spheres page that tells you which Astrologer to turn to, and which number on the Astrologer.

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 25 May 2010, 10:47
by mmfilesi

Re: Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte

Posted: 25 May 2010, 10:49
by mmfilesi
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:The two dice are only rolled in the wheels with 21 results, step 4 of the consultation. This leads to the spheres page that tells you which Astrologer to turn to, and which number on the Astrologer.
Yes, but the spheres are 36 spheres, each with 42 directions (equal 1512) and the astrologers are 72, each with 22 answers: equal 1584!