Germini / Minchiate

Dummett, Decker, Depaulis, Kaplan; here we document the people, places, and events that shaped Tarot History. (Credentials not required; but references, citations, and substantiating evidence may be requested at the door.)

Re: Germini / Minchiate

Postby mikeh on 27 Mar 2017, 11:08

The 1440 is dubious, should only be listed with several question marks. "Minchiare" apparently existed in Italian independently of any card game. So did "Triumphi", especially after Petrarch's poem. Vitali's view is that the poem is just about fools grappling with the subtleties of the poem.
mikeh
member
 
Location: Oregon USA
Favorite Deck: Conver/Noblet & Sola-Busca pips

Re: Germini / Minchiate

Postby Huck on 27 Mar 2017, 17:46

mikeh wrote:The 1440 is dubious, should only be listed with several question marks. "Minchiare" apparently existed in Italian independently of any card game. So did "Triumphi", especially after Petrarch's poem. Vitali's view is that the poem is just about fools grappling with the subtleties of the poem.


One has to show, that an earlier "minchiate" or "minchiatar" exists in an earlier manuscript. Then the value of the "minchiatarr" of Burchiello loses some value, but not all.

In the question of Taraux and Tarochi in 1505 it seems of value, that the use of Tarocus in c. 1495 is known.
For the same reasons it seems of value to know about the note of minchiatar in 1440. Especially curious is the condition, that the "c. 1440" meets precisely the date of the oldest noted Trionfi cards in September 1440.

Vitali's opinion to the point is noted by the link.

Part of the research to a specific deck type is the research for the etymology of the name.

********************

Btw. ...

Image
... for instance here in 1814: https://books.google.de/books?id=oidnAA ... ro&f=false

It seems, that Burchiello minchiatar gave reason to the assumption, that a word "Minchiataro" existed. I've no idea, who was responsible for this idea.
User avatar
Huck
member
 

Previous

Return to The Researcher's Study


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot] and 5 guests