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Curious dates...

In 1412, after much difficulty, Filippo Maria is prepared to conquer Milan:
Avviate quindi le sue soldatesche alla volta di Milano, accampatosi il 16 maggio non lontano dalla città, corso finalmente in armi fin dentro il castello, il 16 giugno, solennità di santa Julitta martire, viene neanche ventenne prebiscitariamente proclamato duca. E fu data che, in seguito, volle festeggiare ogni anno con sfarzo e concorso di popolo.
Pier Candido Decembrio. Vita di Filippo Maria Visconti.
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

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Il più antico stemma di Cremona conosciuto è della fine del XIII secolo e rappresenta la croce d'argento in campo rosso.
http://attualita.geneanet.org/index.php ... emona.html

Confirmed in:

http://www.liv.ac.uk/~spmr02/rings/sforza.html
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In this web:
In this way, Cremona became incorporated into the duchy of Milan in 1420. Visconti sought a husband for his illegitimate daughter Bianca Maria (1423-1468). At her engagement to Francesco Sforza (1401-1466) in 1432, she was formally given Cremona to be her dowry. Francesco fought his prospective father-in-law on many occasions, and in 1440 he conquered Cremona for himself, except for the small town of Casalmaggiore. The following year, he reached agreement with the Duke to resolve the dispute. They ratified the accord in Cavriana near Mantua and decided to conclude the marriage. The ceremony took place in the Church of San Sigismondo in Cremona the same year (see pictures below).
Where I see this old emblem of Cremona?.... ouch my Memory!!!! :-?


AH!!!! Now I remember
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And a curious coincidence: Cremona its founded by Heracles :p

http://arretrato3.vascellocr.it/other.htm
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

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Sorry Huck, I dont understand what relationship exists between the rings and thats I say.

I try said that the silver cross on a red background was on the old shield of the city of Cremona. Cremona was Francesco's dowry, so, perhaps, appears in the triumph of love.

Another issue is that Heracles is linked to Francesco Sforza and Bianca Maria through the city of Cremona, where they marry and that is the dowry.

Sorry Huck, I dont know what you mean by these threads :-\ (then read in full)
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

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lol! No worry.

The interest is Francesco received Cremona as dowry and Francesco and Bianca were married in Cremona.

In the web official of Council of Cremona

http://www.provincia.cremona.it/stemmi/

said the oldest heraldic of Cremona its a cross silver (white) over red, as the triumph of lovers.
La concessione, tuttavia, non rispettò le più elementari norme araldiche. Il più antico stemma di Cremona conosciuto è della fine del XIII secolo e rappresenta la croce d'argento in campo rosso.
Well, its another little argument to date the deck in 1452.

I write the Council of Cremona to ask when exactly changed the shield.

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In the previous post, the interest its the date on which Filippo conquest Milan (16 May) and when he was named Duke (June 16). Since that day, June 16 was a holiday in Milan in memory of the appointment. Well, it's another small argument in favor of a deck of 16 triumphs :) .
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http://trionfi.com/0/e/08/

Preliminary translation
(by Ross Gregory Caldwell)
A large part of her time was also occupied in written correspondence, she having personal contact with the whole court. At the same time she maintained correspondence rich in subjects outside of politics: shown, for example, in the request which she received from Sigismondo Malatesta, in November 1452, for a pack of the famous hand-painted trump cards from the highly praised artisans of Cremona … Bianca Maria did not have the slightest desire to have a deck of cards made for Malatesta, on the contrary she feared of not knowing how to disguise enough her undying hostility for him, so much that when Francesco personally ordered the tarocchi at Cremona, she thanked him for “lifting this burden off my hands”, in the text of her response to Sigismondo, authorizing her husband to make modifications.

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may have to search for Heracles in Cremona ... if possible, with lions that seem to crickets.
When a man has a theory // Can’t keep his mind on nothing else (By Ross)

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mmfilesi wrote:The interest is Francesco received Cremona as dowry and Francesco and Bianca were married in Cremona.

In the web official of Council of Cremona

http://www.provincia.cremona.it/stemmi/

said the oldest heraldic of Cremona its a cross silver (white) over red, as the triumph of lovers.
La concessione, tuttavia, non rispettò le più elementari norme araldiche. Il più antico stemma di Cremona conosciuto è della fine del XIII secolo e rappresenta la croce d'argento in campo rosso.
Well, its another little argument to date the deck in 1452.

I write the Council of Cremona to ask when exactly changed the shield.

......

In the previous post, the interest its the date on which Filippo conquest Milan (16 May) and when he was named Duke (June 16). Since that day, June 16 was a holiday in Milan in memory of the appointment. Well, it's another small argument in favor of a deck of 16 triumphs :) .
Huck
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mmfilesi wrote: The interest is Francesco received Cremona as dowry and Francesco and Bianca were married in Cremona.
Usually it's said, that it was Bianca Maria's dowry ... .-)
In the web official of Council of Cremona
http://www.provincia.cremona.it/stemmi/
said the oldest heraldic of Cremona its a cross silver (white) over red, as the triumph of lovers.
La concessione, tuttavia, non rispettò le più elementari norme araldiche. Il più antico stemma di Cremona conosciuto è della fine del XIII secolo e rappresenta la croce d'argento in campo rosso.
Well, its another little argument to date the deck in 1452.
This sounds, as if this is interpreted from the lover card ... but this stemma is really rather general and somehow in many cities.

The Lovers with baldachine and white-cross-stemma is from the Cary-Yale, not from the PMB. The PMB is dated ca. 1452, the Cary-Yale plausible to 1441 (as gift at the wedding) and at least "before 1447".
I write the Council of Cremona to ask when exactly changed the shield.

......

In the previous post, the interest its the date on which Filippo conquest Milan (16 May) and when he was named Duke (June 16). Since that day, June 16 was a holiday in Milan in memory of the appointment. Well, it's another small argument in favor of a deck of 16 triumphs :) .
Well, if they made it a holiday ... this sounds remarkable, but possibly it was occasional chosen by rulers to make a new "national festivity" at the day of her birthday or possibly at the date of the begin of their rule.Likely the holiday was gone, when it changed to the next ruler. Filippo Maria made once a greater festivity, but this was done 2nd of June 1425, if I remember correctly.

And there is no doubt, that the Michelino-deck had 16 trumps. And this gives probably enough reason to postulate 16 triumph cards for Cary-Yale and totally 5x16 cards for the deck.

But ... the deck was painted by the same painter, who also made the Visconti genealogy and it used a theme, in which the Visconti were relatives to the Greek/Roman gods as descendants of the Trojan Aeneas.

The young Decembrio started to translate in an Aeneas project.
http://trionfi.com/0/k/marc/21/
1419: Pier Candid enters the service of Filippo Maria Visconti.

He starts the same year to continue or complete Virgil's Aeneid, but he abandoned the project after only 89 lines. The project was proceded later (1428) by Maffeo Vegio's book-length treatment of the same material. Vegio knew Decembrio personally, and in spite of the fact that Decembrio accused him of plagiarism, they maintained a friendly correspondence.

Decembrio's youthful attempt, which missed the energy of the later writer, probably must be seen in the context, that Decembrio had just entered the service of Filippo Maria, and that Aeneas was regarded by the Visconti genealogy as an ancestor of the Visconti. This specific genealogical interest might be suspected to have caused the theme of the later Michelino deck.
Maffeo Vegio (Wiki)
Maffeo Vegio (Latin, Maphaeus Vegius; 1407-1458) was an Italian poet who wrote in Latin; he is regarded by many as the finest Latin poet of the fifteenth-century. Born near Lodi, he studied at the University of Pavia, and went on to write some fifty works of both prose and poetry.

His greatest reputation came as the writer of brief epics, the most famous of which was his continuation of Virgil's Aeneid, known variously as the Supplementum (Supplement) or Aeneidos Liber XIII (Book 13 of the Aeneid). Completed in 1428, this 600-line poem starts immediately after the end of Virgil's epic, and describes Aeneas's marriage to Lavinia and his eventual deification. It is elegantly written, and its combination of classical learning and piety made it very popular in its day; it was often included in editions of the Aeneid in the fifteenth and sixteenth-centuries. An electronic text can be found at the Latin Library.
21 years in 1428, born in Lodi and studying in Pavia, both Milanese places.

Giangaleazzo had dreams to become an Italian king in 1402 and Filippo Maria was increasing successful till 1425 ... perhaps the dream still lived, so the aim to generate symbols and backgrounds, which made such a political solution plausible, looks natural ...
Huck
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