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Re: News and Updates

Posted: 21 Feb 2017, 05:24
by Huck
Image ... cards.html

Gold on silver playing card from 1616. The king of swords is designed as Emperor.

Re: News and Updates

Posted: 23 Feb 2017, 10:27
by Huck
I'm not sure, if this is already known ... text with a note of "Tarocchi" from 1539.

Dialogi piacevoli. - Venetiis, Joannes-Giolitus de Ferrariis 1539
Nicolo Franco
Joannes-Giolitus de Ferrariis, 1539 ... hi&f=false

Title of the chapter, page 70

Tarocchi passage, page 76

I attempted to find it at Andrea Vitali's collections, but I didn't see it.

The text runs also with ...
"Dialogi piacevoli di M. Nicolò Franco, Apud Ioannem Giolitum de Ferraris,
Venetiis, MDXXXIX"
The author is also addressed as "Nicolò Franco da Benevento"
A lot of texts by him ...


I think, this is known, but I'm not sure (I think, that Franco Pratesi mentioned it once) ... a letter of Aretino
"al Padovan cartaro"

Pietro Aretino
1542 ... hi&f=false



Antonio de Guevara was occasionally noted in this forum ... this seems to be an early text (1446) of him:

Lettere, Band 2
Antonio de Guevara, Domingo de Gaztelu
de Ferrari, 1546 - 524 Seiten ... hi&f=false

The author had died in 1545, the publication of the letters followed quickly.

The letter is very long and starts at ...


In the mid starts a list of privileges (folio 225), the Tarocchi passage is No. 24


The finishing Privilegio is No. 51 and it ends with a date for the letter ... 1524, February 12, in Valenza (folio 231)


1524 is rather early for Tarocchi notes and it's somehow in the run of the war, which leads to the battle of Pavia and to the sacco di Roma.

I find, that Andrea Vitali had something about Antonio de Guevara and also the privilege No 24, but he didn't note the date of the letter ... so possibly he had another text.
Of Don Antonio de Guevara, Spanish writer (Treceño, Asturias di Santillana, c. 1480 - Mondoñedo, Lugo, 1545), Franciscan inquisitor of Toledo and Valencia, Bishop of Cadiz and Mondoñedo, we wrote (1539) in another essay (See Triumphs, Trionfini Trionfetti), in reference to his work Menosprecio de corte y alabanza de aldea. We still remember his Libro llamado Relox de príncipes (1529), better known by the title Libro aureo del emperador Marco Aurelio (Golden Book of Emperor Marcus Aurelius), in practice a guide to princes, and the Epístolas familiares (1539), a work that had numerous translations in French and English, and had a great influence on euphuism (8).

Below is a passage from Epístolas familiares in the Italian version translated by Domingo de Gatzelu (9), almost a contemporary of de Guevara, who was not only a translator, but also royal Spanish secretary and knight of the Order of Malta. The piece relates to one of the many privileges that de Guevara believes should be reserved to the old men, that is to play triumph and tarot after lunch, recommending that the gaming tables never lack fresh fruit and wine:

Libro Secondo - Privilegio 24

Privilegio de vecchi è passar tempo doppo mangiare et giuocar alle carte al triompho over ai tarocchi over alle tavole in casa de vicini potendo andarvi, et non potendo, mandarli a chiamare. et il caso è che hora il vecchio giuochi largo hora curto, sempre mai bisogna che sopra la tavola vi siano delle frutte et del miglior vino che nella terra si trovi".

Second Book - Privilege 24

“The Privilege of old men is to spend the time after eating in playing cards, triumphs or tarot, or at boad games, in the homes of their neighbors if they can go there, and if not being able, sending someone to call on them, and in all cases, whether old men play a lot or a little, there always needs to be fruit on the table, and the best wine in the territory”.

Andrea gives as his source ...
9 - Libro Secondo delle Lettere dell'Ill. s. don Antonio di Gueuara, vescovo di Modognetto ... tradotte dal s. Dominico di Catzelu (Second Book of the Letters of the Illustrious don Antonio di Guevara, Bishop of Modognetto, translated bys. Dominico di Catzelu), Venezia, Gabriel Giolito De Ferrari, 1546, p. 227.
This seems to be the same version as Google uses, so it seems, that Andrea forgot to look at the end of the letter.

I assume, that "Valenza" means Valencia in Spain and so that's - likely - the oldest appearance of the "Tarocchi" name in Spain. If it isn't just only a work of the translator ... .-)

Symbolical protest

Posted: 26 Feb 2017, 11:19
America isn't America anymore ...

Invited by Texas A&M University, French historian Henry Rousso has been placed in detention 10 hours in Texas Airport.

"I confirm. I have been detained 10 hours at Houston Itl Airport about to be deported"

Image ... ment-texas

Why was he placed in detention at Houston?
"Les raisons de cette détention ?
Pourquoi avoir détenu et menacé de renvoyer cet historien français, chercheur au CNRS ? Peut-être parce que le soixantenaire est né en Egypte, d’où il a été expulsé avec sa famille en 1956. Mais Slate rappelle que l’historien n’a plus la nationalité égyptienne… et que de toute façon l’Egypte ne fait pas partie des pays visés par le décret anti-immigration de Donald Trump. Qui par ailleurs a été suspendu.
Selon Slate, « Richard Golsan a évoqué une "incompréhension au sujet des paramètres de son visa" ». Une illustration de plus de la pagaille provoquée dans les aéroports par ce décret anti-immigration…"

Who is Henry ROUSSO?

Henry Rousso
Portrait de Henry Rousso
Naissance 1954
à Flag of Cairo.svg Le Caire

Nationalité Français

Formation École normale supérieure de Saint-Cloud
Titres Directeur de l'Institut d'histoire du temps présent (IHTP), professeur invité à l'Université Harvard (1986-1987), professeur des universités
Profession Historien et professeur d'université
Employeur Institut d'études politiques de Paris

Un Château en Allemagne. Sigmaringen, 1944-1945 (1980) Le Syndrome de Vichy (1987)
Approche Histoire du Régime de Vichy et de sa mémoire
Distinctions Chevalier de l'ordre national du Mérite

Jacob Köbel 1520 ... was found

Posted: 02 Mar 2017, 15:02
by Huck
Oldest Evidence for Divination with Cards
... has the passage ...
In "Altdeutsche Spielkarten 1500-1650", p. 29, Detlev Hoffmann, Nürnberg 1993, gives the following informations:

"Schließlich sei noch auf 2 Buchillustrationen verwiesen, die beide von Hans Rosenfeld bearbeitet wurden: das Mainzer Kartenlosbuch von 1510 (1) und ein kleines sechsblättriges Volksbuch "Ein Neüwe Gedicht".(2) Der Druck wird um 1520 datiert und ist von Jakob Köbel (1460-1533). Beide Texte werden durch Spielkarten illustriert, es sind Bilder von den Kartenbildern. Das heißt, dass wir nicht davon ausgehen können, dass Karten identisch mit den Buchabbildungen sind, allerdings hat der Illustrator Spezifika der Karten zum Thema seiner Illustrationen gemacht, so dass Spiel der Figuren mit ihren Farbzeichen. Im Mainzer Kartenlosbuch erscheinen wiederum Blatt und Eichel kopfüber, im Volksbuch nur das Blatt." (3)

(1) Hellmut Rosenfeld: Das Mainzer Kartenlosbuch von 1510 und die Spielkartentradition, in: Gutenberg-Jahrbuch 1962, S. 212-218; Detlev Hoffmann /Erika Kroppenstedt: Wahrsagekarten, Bielefeld 1962, Kat.-Nr. 1
(2) Hellmut Rosenfeld: Ein Meistergesang als illustriertes Volksbuch mit Kartenspielabbildungen (1520), in Gutenberg-Jahrbuch 1980, S. 97-104
(3) In Wien 1974, Kat.-Nr.173 hat Fritz Kortney die Illustrationen nach Mainz lokalisiert und die Lokalisierung nach Ulm abgelehnt. In unserem Zusammenhang ist die Lösung dieser Frage nicht entscheidend. Die Karten des Ulm-Münchner Typus waren wohl doch in ganz Süddeutschland verbreitet.
The known context gave the idea, that the text would be also a Kartenlosbuch as the Mainzer Kartenlosbuch. However, this seems to be a wrong expectation. It's a poem (or a song), which warns against card playing for money.

The text was found under its full name ...
Verfasser: Koebel, Jacob
Titel: Eyn Neüwe Gedicht || Wie die Lantbescheisser/ Zwyecker || Orenbeysser/ Bleer/ Meinster/ Hey=||lig man/ vnd Stœrck/ Die Freyẽ vñ || Voperten ... || Betrygen/ Leychen/|| vnd überfüren/ deren viele || ir fürwytz gebüßt || wirdt.|| Auch Jn des Schyllers done Z°u syngen.||

Erschienen: Oppenheim : Koebel, Jacob, 1520
Online Ausgabe: Berlin : Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin - Preußischer Kulturbesitz, Germany, 2013
Genre: Lied

Online edition start: ... e529d19e02

It has a few unusual pictures. The deck (48 cards) is complete presented, though roughly cut. Especially the suit "Green" is different from the usual form. The suit "bells" uses two Fools for Ober and Unter.




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An alarming sign I met in a footnote of ...

Minnereden im Druck: Studien zur Gattungsgeschichte im Zeitalter des Medienwechsels
Jacob Klingner
Erich Schmidt Verlag GmbH & Co KG, 14.12.2010 - 448 Seiten ... ch&f=false


The author makes a very competent impression and the text is from 2010. In a bypassing sentence he remarks something about the Mainzer Kartelosbuch and gives at its printing date 1486 ... instead the usual 1505-1510. This sounds, as if there is a new research to the Kartenlosbuch with a sure result: 1486.

Well, I'll attempt to find something.

Jacob Köbel 1520 ... was found

Posted: 02 Mar 2017, 15:45
by Huck
Well, I'll attempt to find something.

Some time later: ... it looks negative. Possibly there is some confusion with the Martin Flach lot book (which is given to 1485-87)

Re: News and Updates

Posted: 03 Mar 2017, 10:28
by Huck
Covarrubias, Pedro de/Ulloa, Alfonso de: Rimedio De'Givocatori; Venetia 1561 [Valgrisius]

... is a work about games and players, 195 pages, with a negative view of the author. In the longer content passage I didn't find anything about playing cards ... which doesn't mean, that they are not hidden somewhere in the text. Unluckily the text is not friendly to the search functions.


A funny work of 1850 ... Raphael's Witch or the Oracle of the Future (5th edition), 216 pages, the author is not clear to me ... 748078.pdf




Another edition by the same author (1831), the author is here called "Blewitt, J. (Jonathan), 1782-1853"
Blewitt, J. (Jonathan), 1782-1853.
[added later: likely an error, the earliest author of these sort of publications was R.C. Smith, who had died in 1832]

I saw some signs of another edition in 1855.

Re: News and Updates

Posted: 04 Mar 2017, 11:42
by Huck
Looking at the search engine of Aeclectic for "Raphael" + "Witch" I get NOTHING ... this makes the text interesting, a not studied object, as it seems.

Reading a little bit in Raphael's witch (edition 1831) I get at the end a list of publications ...


There are various works of a "Raphael".

... Page 6:

Witchcraft, Magic and Culture, 1736-1951
Owen Davies
Manchester University Press, 11.09.1999 - 337 Seiten ... er&f=false

According this R.C. Smith was "Raphael". Unluckily this text is only a preview version and has missing pages at this place. R.C. Smith died 1832, but the Raphael business proceeded.

In an "Introduction to Raphael's witch" (page V) the author talks of the excavations of Pompei, of found manuscripts ... and of the chemical reconstruction of Sir Humphrey Davy and the adventurer Belzoni, who sold the author the manuscript.
Davy and Belzoni were real persons ... ... died 1829 ... died 1823
... but both were dead in 1831, so Smith could state, what he wanted without big risks, that these both persons would contradict his statements.



Then follows the manuscript called "Raphael's Witch", as the author notes with "compiled chiefly from the original MSS".
30 questions and 900 answers, very much in the manner of a lot book.

Large image:


I found a title, which looks like being from the "Prophetic Messenger" (1833)... ... 17102).jpg

... as already stated, R.C.Smith had died in 1832.

Amazon offers ... ... B0018RBSQ4 ... B004PGY5YM
"Raphael's Almanac, of the Prophetic Messenger and Weather Guide" for 1880 and 1938

Compare also: ... mprising-a
... offering an edition of 1893 for 65 dollars
"Robert Cross Smith (1795-1832) was an English astrologer, writing under the pseudonym of "Raphael". From 1827 until his death in 1832, he edited an astrological almanac, entitled The Prophetic Messenger. Also published by Smith was The Familiar Astrologer and A Manual of Astrology, both in 1828. mith died on 26 February 1832 in London. His almanac continued to be edited as Raphael’s Ephemeris and would become a standard work in British and US American astrology. " - See more at: ... qUN4a.dpuf

Then there is ...
Raphael's ancient manuscript of talismanic magic, containing nearly one hundred rare talismanic diagrams, seals of spirits, charms, magical squares, and pentacles for orations and invocation of elementary spirits, and the magical ritual of their conjuration. Explaining their influence and hidden powers. Recondite wisdom, by Raphael
by Raphael, 1483-1520; De Laurence, Lauron William, 1868-
... somehow attributed to the painter Raphael 1483-1520 ... :-)
... but at the end of the manuscript ...


... so that's neither of Raphael the painter nor Raphael the astrologer (= R.C. Smith)

Re: News and Updates

Posted: 09 Mar 2017, 17:52
by Huck
I found another lot book ...

Lot book in "Astrologisch-astronomische Sammlung : Ms. germ. fol. 244 , [um 1445]", Berlin
http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin. ... MDLOG_0110
"Losbuch von den Planeten", followed by "Lehrbuch der Geomantie" (Punktierkunst), deutsch

My own comment: looks like 21 figures with 21 answers each, possibly done with the result with two throws of 2 dice.


But the whole manuscript is full of astrological stuff. I've chosen the picture of Mercury + children (with a Bagatello scene at the upper left) ...



... and also for Venus.



The following is likely not a triumphal chariot, but the star picture Auriga ...



btw: the number of lot books, which are available in the web has increased dramatically, compare ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1171 ... still in work.

I've even found a new relative to the lot book system of the Pope and the donkey:

Re: News and Updates

Posted: 13 Mar 2017, 10:37
by Huck
I had an error about the Bagatello-scene (last past), which usually is at the children of Moon picture. Actually the Mercury scene has a similar-looking innkeeper.

The children of the Moon picture is here ...


The Bagatello is given, but it seems to be a scene with dice players.


Re: News and Updates

Posted: 15 Mar 2017, 20:23
by Huck
Reconstructions of Rosenwald and Budapest deck by Sullivan Hismans