Franco Pratesi has opened a new web page (still in an experimental page, I would assume).
http://naibi.net
It offers a lot of Franco Pratesi's old articles, the Trionfi.com articles of the last 2 years, and 4 new articles:
301. 1796: Florence - Clergy and Playing Cards at Cocomero. (03.11.2013)
302. 1829-1840: Florence − Playing Cards at Cocomero. (10.11.2013)
303. Libri italiani di poker – Il primo secolo. (17.11.2013)
304. 1819-1859: Florence − Playing-Cards at Casino dei Nobili. (05.12.2013)
The presentation happens via Docx-files.
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212An "Author Spotlight": Glenn F. Wright/aka Jess Karlin
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Tarotica
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Another author of the good old times at alt.tarot (a very old internet place for Tarot history discussion): Nagasiva (Tyagi)
http://wildhunt.org/2013/02/setting-the ... press.html
http://missionary-independent.org/ladiesauxiliary.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/cat/
http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatphotos.html
Luckymojo had collected a lot of Tarot History material from time to time, between it the "Fragments" of Michael J. Hurst.
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K.Frank Jensen, a long time member of the IPCS (publishing a lot of Tarot observations in the IPCS journal), and also known as contributor to Internet Tarot projects searched a place for his big Tarot collection ...
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Guido Gillabel's Tarot Museum in Belgium
http://www.tarothaven.be/
Mary Greer had been there:
http://marygreer.wordpress.com/2011/03/ ... ot-museum/
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Tarotica
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Another author of the good old times at alt.tarot (a very old internet place for Tarot history discussion): Nagasiva (Tyagi)
http://wildhunt.org/2013/02/setting-the ... press.html
http://missionary-independent.org/ladiesauxiliary.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/cat/
http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatphotos.html
Luckymojo had collected a lot of Tarot History material from time to time, between it the "Fragments" of Michael J. Hurst.
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K.Frank Jensen, a long time member of the IPCS (publishing a lot of Tarot observations in the IPCS journal), and also known as contributor to Internet Tarot projects searched a place for his big Tarot collection ...
http://www.manteia-online.dk/frame.htmAfter having refused proposals of handing over the collection to private museum enterprises and to offers from more or less commercial bodies, who would not even allow me any influence on the board, they had prepared to `care for the collection', I had almost given up to find a gratifying solution, when one day in June 2011, the solution just arrived right at my front door. A visitor, Camelia Elias, who titulated herself as `associate professor in American studies and tarot reader' had heard about the collection, and would like to see it. To make a long story short: on December 21st 2012 - the day the Mayan calendar ended - I signed a mutual agreement with our nearby Roskilde University Center's Library and `Culture and Identity'-faculty, that they took over, cared for and made available the collection (now called `The K. Frank Jensen Collection'). Sometimes solutions are not that far away as one might believe...
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Guido Gillabel's Tarot Museum in Belgium
http://www.tarothaven.be/
Mary Greer had been there:
http://marygreer.wordpress.com/2011/03/ ... ot-museum/
Huck
http://trionfi.com
http://trionfi.com
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213Frano Pratesi at ...
http://naibi.net
... presents in Link 02 ...
02. An Early Praise of Italian Tarot in the 16th Century. The Playing-Card, 15 No. 3 (1987) 80-87.
(old article, actually his second to playing cards)
.... a special Bolognese source by an anonymous (maybe later 16th century). I saw, that Andrea Vitali used it. The text has curious details ... I don't remember to have seen them discussed here.
It also connects to an old debate, if Swords are spades and Staves are clubs (what many believe), or vice versa Swords are clubs and Staves are spades (what at least is believed by me).
For the latter the above used row coins-swords-staves-cups would be one of the "4 normal rows" (those, which are most often used in games), for the other, first suggestion, coins-swords-staves-cups would belong to the 20 other rows,(which are very seldom used).
For more see the article.
http://naibi.net
... presents in Link 02 ...
02. An Early Praise of Italian Tarot in the 16th Century. The Playing-Card, 15 No. 3 (1987) 80-87.
(old article, actually his second to playing cards)
.... a special Bolognese source by an anonymous (maybe later 16th century). I saw, that Andrea Vitali used it. The text has curious details ... I don't remember to have seen them discussed here.
Coins as highest suits is rare, I think. Somehow it is used in Doppelkopf, where Careaux/Diamonds is an additional trump row.The order of the suits is here Coins, Swords, Staves and Cups. And this is already something unusual since the author divides the two round to feminine suits of the traditional interpretations, inserting the two long or masculine ones between them. The obvious interpretation of the Coins’ king and family is of any activity aimed at accumulating money and wealth in general. There follows Swords, which is naturally connected to war, military occupations and careers. The interpretation of Staves is perhaps more interesting since it appears strictly correlated with the ancient shape of this Italian suit, and neither with the Spanish nor with the majority of the modern Italian Bastoni. Here the symbol is a Mazza, a Baton, indicating the power of magistrates and public officials up to the kings. In other words, something analogous to those Fasces of ancient Rome which the author mentions without obviously knowing their later unhappy utilisation. Cups mean generally pleasure and with this suit the four human instincts are exhausted, but only for the moment. In fact, the originality of this particular allegory is that no sharp division exists between cards and triumphs.
It also connects to an old debate, if Swords are spades and Staves are clubs (what many believe), or vice versa Swords are clubs and Staves are spades (what at least is believed by me).
For the latter the above used row coins-swords-staves-cups would be one of the "4 normal rows" (those, which are most often used in games), for the other, first suggestion, coins-swords-staves-cups would belong to the 20 other rows,(which are very seldom used).
A card with a Cardinale ....Then follow the four “popes”. I admit I was very curious to know how the author would solve the Popess problem in a convincing and favourable manner. It is not clear to me how this card originated, but I am persuaded that it is hard to admit its presence in a pack of which one is trying precisely to demonstrate the pedagogical if not the theological value. That may be due to the fact that I am not sufficiently acquainted with the popular culture of that period, since, for instance, Rosenfeld in the quoted article indicates that the Popess was considered a common personage among people. In any case, I must acknowledge that here the problem is well solved, although I have some doubt about the actual historical value of such a favourable interpretation. The four connected personages have become here CARDINALE, PAPA, RE and IMPERATORE.
A Prudenza card ....There follow a pair of virtues, PRUDENZA (instead of the usually present Temperance) and FORZA.
For more see the article.
Huck
http://trionfi.com
http://trionfi.com
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214It's strange you don't recognize it. This is the Anonymous Discorso, which was edited and published with a translation for the first time in 2010, in a book called Explaining the Tarot:Two Italian Renaissance Essays on the Meaning of the Tarot Pack.Huck wrote:Frano Pratesi at ...
http://naibi.net
... presents in Link 02 ...
02. An Early Praise of Italian Tarot in the 16th Century. The Playing-Card, 15 No. 3 (1987) 80-87.
(old article, actually his second to playing cards)
.... a special Bolognese source by an anonymous (maybe later 16th century). I saw, that Andrea Vitali used it. The text has curious details ... I don't remember to have seen them discussed here.
Some of the points Franco raised are explicitly discussed in the introduction and notes to this edition.
Haven't you heard of it?
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215Ah, I didn't realize, that it contained two essays. I thought it had only the Piscina.
No, I don't have your book.
No, I don't have your book.
Huck
http://trionfi.com
http://trionfi.com
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216I advise you to buy it. It has a lot of important information, in addition to the texts and translations.Huck wrote:Ah, I didn't realize, that it contained two essays. I thought it had only the Piscina.
No, I don't have your book.
http://www.maproompublications.co.uk/
It costs only £7, plus £4 shipping. This works out to €13,23 euros, by Google.
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217I don't buy books ...
I've already one or two.
I've a free advertising service ... occasionally I get some more.
http://trionfi.com/explaining-the-tarot
I've already one or two.
I've a free advertising service ... occasionally I get some more.
http://trionfi.com/explaining-the-tarot
Huck
http://trionfi.com
http://trionfi.com
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218The page ..
http://www.letteratura.it/boiardo/opereboiardo.htm
... presents some publication activities around the work of Maria Matteo Boiardo, which includes also this project:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl4fLoJED6o[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl4fLoJED6o
http://www.letteratura.it/boiardo/opereboiardo.htm
... presents some publication activities around the work of Maria Matteo Boiardo, which includes also this project:
The page was set up in 2010 (found at archive.org), but a recent movie appeared in March 2014 ...IX. PASTORALE • CARTE DE TRIUMPHI
a cura di Antonia Tissoni Benvenuti
Le egloghe volgari, ricchissime di allusioni storico-politiche sotto il velame pastorale, e i cosiddetti Tarocchi, notevole esempio di letteratura d’intrattenimento di alto livello, pur editi di recente, offrono molti spunti per una nuova lettura e riproposizione al pubblico. Se ne occupa Antonia Tissoni Benvenuti.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl4fLoJED6o[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl4fLoJED6o
Huck
http://trionfi.com
http://trionfi.com
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219Franco Pratesi has published at http://naibi.net in the usual provisional state (this is a working station, not the final product) ...
1477: Bologna – Aritmetica per carte e trionfi ... 09.06.2014
http://naibi.net
http://naibi.net/A/323-BONOZZI-Z.pdf
It's a number analysis of the Bolognese card production contract reported by Orioli in 1908 and presented by Andrea Vitali in "Il Tarocchino di Bologna", 2005, p. 16.
The text of Franco is in Italian and my poor Italian is too stupid to understand it completely. Nonetheless it seems, that Franco comes to the conclusion, that - most probably - the considered decks in the contract (Bologna 1477) had either 56 cards (carte) or 70 Trionfi cards (trionfi).
Which would be - if true - a confirmation for the much discussed 5x14-theory. And that as late as 1477 and specifically for Bologna.
1477: Bologna – Aritmetica per carte e trionfi ... 09.06.2014
http://naibi.net
http://naibi.net/A/323-BONOZZI-Z.pdf
It's a number analysis of the Bolognese card production contract reported by Orioli in 1908 and presented by Andrea Vitali in "Il Tarocchino di Bologna", 2005, p. 16.
The text of Franco is in Italian and my poor Italian is too stupid to understand it completely. Nonetheless it seems, that Franco comes to the conclusion, that - most probably - the considered decks in the contract (Bologna 1477) had either 56 cards (carte) or 70 Trionfi cards (trionfi).
Which would be - if true - a confirmation for the much discussed 5x14-theory. And that as late as 1477 and specifically for Bologna.
Huck
http://trionfi.com
http://trionfi.com
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220In Nidwalden in 2011 were found 16th century Jass cards in a book binding:
http://www.nw.ch/de/kommunikationmain/a ... =&date_to=
... with some pictures to the cards.
The article includes also a reference to the oldest Troggen note in Switzerland.
http://www.nw.ch/de/kommunikationmain/a ... =&date_to=
... with some pictures to the cards.
The article includes also a reference to the oldest Troggen note in Switzerland.
Huck
http://trionfi.com
http://trionfi.com