karnöffel finding

#121
I stumbled about this ...

Titel: Carnüffel-Spiel des Teuffels
Autor: Ammersbach, Heinrich
Erscheinungsort: Quedlinburg
Verlag: Ockell
Erscheinungsjahr: 1664

http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin. ... D=LOG_0004

A longer religious preaching using Karnöffel. I'm not sure, if this is well known ...

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Added (2016): Text of 1665
https://books.google.de/books?id=4K9hAA ... ch&f=false
Ammersbach talks about his publication of the Karnöffeltext.

Biography of the Author Ammersbach
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Ammersbach
(end of addition 2016)


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Another Text:

Sonn- und Feyer-Tägliches Tolle Lege : Das ist: Geist- und Lehr-reiche Predigen, Auf alle Sonn- und Feyer-Täg des gantzen Jahr-lauffs eingerichtet ; Dominical-Theil Von fünff und sechzig Sonn- und zehen Kirchtäglichen Predigen bestehend

* Dokumenttyp: Monographie
* Autor: Ertl, Ignatius
* Erscheinungsjahr: 1700
* Erscheinungsort: Nürnberg
* Verlag: Bleul

... including: Zachäisches Trischackenspiel (playing card preaching)

http://www.zvdd.de/dms/load/met/?PPN=PP ... MDLOG_0084

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http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db ... 00/images/

An allegory, based on the card game, discussing possible wars in Europe in 1668; anonym (?), the text declares to be a translation from Dutch language
Huck
http://trionfi.com

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#122
Hi, Huck,

It would be interesting to know more about these findings. Carnüffel-Spiel des Teuffels appears quite detailed.

Is there a page on trionfi.com that discusses the earlier writings about Karnöffel? There were the two sermons (1496 and 1515) by Bishop Johann Geiler, who compared the order of cards in Karnöffel or Kaiserspiel (using both names) to the social order, lamenting that "everything is turned upside down". This is seemingly the point of the game's design, as well as a proverbial expression which was sometimes illustrated in various ways, both in prints and emblem books, as "the world turned upside down". Also there were the 1537 and 1546 Protestant satires that used Karnöffel to mock the pope. It seems likely that there might be more, but I wondered if you had summarized these on trionfi?

In any case, thanks for the posting.

Best regards,
Michael
We are either dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants, or we are just dwarfs.

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#123
mjhurst wrote:Hi, Huck,

It would be interesting to know more about these findings. Carnüffel-Spiel des Teuffels appears quite detailed.

Is there a page on trionfi.com that discusses the earlier writings about Karnöffel? There were the two sermons (1496 and 1515) by Bishop Johann Geiler, who compared the order of cards in Karnöffel or Kaiserspiel (using both names) to the social order, lamenting that "everything is turned upside down". This is seemingly the point of the game's design, as well as a proverbial expression which was sometimes illustrated in various ways, both in prints and emblem books, as "the world turned upside down". Also there were the 1537 and 1546 Protestant satires that used Karnöffel to mock the pope. It seems likely that there might be more, but I wondered if you had summarized these on trionfi?

In any case, thanks for the posting.

Best regards,
Michael
Hi Michael,

the Karnöffel text is long, so promising, but in matter of rules it seems disappointing. 99% moralization or something like that.
A 1546 Karnöffel text I don't remember ...?

It's on your list, I see, and we took it. I find:
Pasquillus. Newe Zeitung vom Teufel. Wie newlich der Bapst vnd sein Gesell, Der öberst Sathanas aus der Hell by Pasquillus( Book )
2 editions published in 1546 in German and held by 5 libraries worldwide
Here's a description, at p. 194:
http://ia700303.us.archive.org//load_dj ... muoft.djvu

Ah ... here's the "unknown" author Cyriacus Schnauss, a picture ...

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and a picture of the book:

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There is something longer Cyriacus Spangenberg 1562 ...
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ei48AA ... &q&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyriacus_Spangenberg
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyriacus_Spangenberg
... a rather interesting man

... and I remember that he got at least one catholic Karnöffel-reply (or before?). The Geilersberg notes are hard to find and I don't think, that they are long.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZSE6AA ... el&f=false

Here is a 19th century Karnöffel analysis ..
http://books.google.com/books?id=T6cFAA ... el&f=false

Here is a note in Wickram
http://books.google.com/books?id=K5Jxq9 ... el&f=false

No, I think, the material at trionfi.com is of an older date.
Huck
http://trionfi.com

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#124
Schnauss, Cyriacus:
Newe Zeytung vom Teüffel, Wie newlich der Bapst und sein Gesell, der oberst Sathanas auß der Hell, Von jrer gsellschaft und diesem Kryg Sprach gehalten
[Augsburg] 1546


For getting the source, put the following in the browser-address-line

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Karnöffel passages

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Huck
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#127
Something (Playing Cards ?) with paper was used in 1434 for memory and teaching

http://tarocchidea.wordpress.com/storia-dei-tarocchi/
contains
Gli usi didattici delle carte da gioco, furono probabilmente inaugurati da Vittorino da Feltre[14] che insegnava ai suoi scolari in alfabeto figurato literarum formas variis coloribus pictas ad lusum chartarum[15]e proseguono fino ai nostri giorni. ...

[14] Vittorino da Feltre (Feltre 1373 ca.-Mantova 1446).

[15] Lucia Nadin. Carte da gioco, op. cit. . Pag. 190.
Also:
http://books.google.de/books?id=D0g7mwx ... 22&f=false

Also Andrea Vitali:
http://www.letarot.it/Semi-Simbolici_pag_pg180_ita.aspx
translated:
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=180&lng=ENG
One of the first of not ecclesiastic origin testimonies concerning the meaning of the card suits, concerning the meaning of the cards suits, can be found in the booklet Regulae Artificialis Memoriae by Jacopo Rangone written in 1434. The work belongs to the wide production upon art of memory that was born in the XV century. We have to recall, for example, those by Lodovico da Pirano, Matteo da Verona and Pietro da Ravenna, in which were used even game cards as “imagines agentes” (images able to act) for the construction of personal artificial apparatus.

The booklets were used by noblemen and high-brows of the time, but even by merchants and common people for various situations concerning the necessity to remember something. In Venice during the XV century, every patrician, a noble or simple urban did not go outside without having copied and noted the essential rules of the artificial memory to be sure to get the necessary fluidity to talk to a public and the clearness of the discourse for the commercial acting.

These booklets were usually structured in three salient points: 1) A short introduction in which there was the recalling to the most preeminent sources, such as Cicero, Saint Thomas and Aristotle. 2) The modality of choosing places. 3) A list of the hundred images to use and specific rules about their placement (2).

Vittorino da Feltre had already used the cards as a didactic instrument, when he taught to his pupils a figured alphabet “literarum formas variis coloribus pictas ad lusum chartarum, but the game became a common argument for the reflections of pedagogists and jurists in the XVI century.
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Memory pictures in a book of Romberg:

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for alphabet

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combining locations in an abbey with items and with numbers ... each 5th sign gets a hand, each 10th
gets a cross
Huck
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#128
TV-series 1981: "The Borgias" in 50 youtube-parts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Borgia ... _series%29

As long as it works:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Obadiah1and ... UKXi4uy4gE

A second series "The Borgias" was made 2011 (I first confused the both versions):
Trailer:


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In the 2011 movie appears the Ambras deck.

Ambras deck

http://trionfi.com/0/j/d/ambras/

deck "Hofjagd", 1440/1445
handmade deck found in castle Ambras (Tirol) together with Hofaemterspiel
reprinted by "Edition Leipzig" in 1971 for Heimeran (Munich)

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http://trionfi.com/0/p/25/
Ambraser Hofjagdspiel
Location/Time: upper Rhine, Schreiber dates 1445/1455, nowadays often 1440/45 are given
Structure: 56 cards, 4x14, King Queen, Ober (all on horse, Obers are male), Unter (beside horse), Banner, 1-9
Suits: Hunting Tool, Hawks, Dogs, Stags
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Trionfi allowance 1467 Matterella / prohibition Assissi

#129
Another new article from Andrea Vitali ...

Trionfi permessi, Trionfi proibiti
Due documenti inediti


... includes the information about the location Matterella, that they had a new statute witha Trionfi game allowance in 1467.
Another theme in the article is the Trionfi prohibition of Assissi, which already was otherwise topic.

http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=280

Mattarella was a Castle with a Curia near Vogogna (Lago Maggiore). It was on a hill called Calvario. In XV century under the dukes of Milan, it had some grade of independence.

Re: Trionfi allowance 1467 Matterella / prohibition Assissi

#130
Huck wrote:Another new article from Andrea Vitali ...

Trionfi permessi, Trionfi proibiti
Due documenti inediti


... includes the information about the location Matterella, that they had a new statute witha Trionfi game allowance in 1467.
Another theme in the article is the Trionfi prohibition of Assissi, which already was otherwise topic.

http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=280

Mattarella was a Castle with a Curia near Vogogna (Lago Maggiore). It was on a hill called Calvario. In XV century under the dukes of Milan, it had some grade of independence.
Just to note that the Mattarella permission was published by Carlo Cavalli in Cenni statistico-historici della valle Vigezzo, vol. 3 p. 107
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q2c5AA ... um&f=false

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This is part of a long document of statutes starting on page 52, "Statuti della Curia de Mattarella".

The document itself does not appear to be dated, but in the opening paragraph it mentions "Domini Ludovici Mariae Sfortiae Vicecomitis Mortarii", which made me doubt the 1467 date.

However, Cavalli gives it the precise date of 7 August 1467 in his list of supporting documents in vol. I, p. 496
http://books.google.com/books?id=FBoEAA ... to&f=false

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- so who am I to argue?

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