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Phaeded wrote: I am (finally) going to be sharing my "theory of everything" in regard to the CY and PMB hopefully before the weekend is out....so I can get back to writing fiction. Believe it or not this whole tarot thing is a tangent for me from a half-written novel of mine...I decided to use the 22 trumps as a lose framework for the chapters (you'd have to look hard for trump attribute references in the novel and certainly the novel in no way explicates tarot), but it kept bugging me: which deck should I use? The PMB intrigued me as the oldest to the point where I went to view the actual cards in the Pierpont Morgan library on my way to Milan in 2011...research that eventually lead me here. And understanding the PMB has done nothing for my fiction writing - its simply a fascinating problem.

Phaeded
.... :-) ... well, if nobody says something to it, I do. I think, this sounds interesting.
Huck
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I detected a very fine Minchiate edition, which is offered at the Minchiate editions of British Museum
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/c ... =minchiate

One of the offered editions looks very fine, possibly a type of court deck (usually rather unknown for Minchiate). It's arranged from 3 different decks (see description)


http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/c ... id=3058908
Description:
Tarot pack: incomplete pack with 48 of 97 playing-cards for Minchiate made up from three different packs.
Hand-coloured woodcut illuminated with body colour and gold, the borders richly gilt.
Backs of 23 printed in black with the arms of Austria between Lorrraine and Medici, and the word "Etruria"; those of 14 with the arms of France and Medici, and the word "Etruria"; and 11 with the arms of Medici, and the word "Columba".
18th Century
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Dimensions
Height: 98 millimetres
Width: 58 millimetres
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Curator's comments
In No. 3 of the atutti the Empress holds a shield charged with the arms of France and Medici, and a similar shield appears on the ace of coins. The missing cards are the 9, 10 and queen of cups, the 10, knave, knight and king of swords, the 2-10, knight and king of coins, the ace, 5, 8, 10 and knight of clubs, and atutti Nos. II, V, IX, XII, XV-XVIII, XXI-XXV, XXVII, XXVIII, XXX-XXXVII, XL and XLI.
Usually the "Empress" isn't part of Minchiate. The Curator must mean, that the two figures in the bottom row present Empress and Emperor (however, I cannot identify a number 3).

Austria and Lorraine (husband of Maria Theresia) got the rights on Tuscany in c. 1739, after the last Medici had died in 1737. Unluckily the curator doesn't note, which of the extant cards belong to which type of backside.
Huck
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Tarot, jeu et magie : [exposition], Bibliothèque nationale, [Paris, 17 octobre] 1984-[6 janvier 1985] / [catalogue par Thierry Depaulis] -Bibliothèque nationale (Paris)-1984 Detailed information Display plain text
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Extrait 1 :Le minchiate florentin, à 97 cartes, a disparu depuis le début de notre siècleLes jeux modernes, toujours à 62 cartes, ne diffèrent en rien du modèle représenté au XVIIe siècle (cat. n° 26), si ce n'est l'élimination des papi au profit de « maures » et de « satrapes
Extrait 2 :107 87 88 Italie Florence 87 Minchiate « Colomba » cartier « Colomba » Florence, Italie, avant 1850 74 cartes (sur 97), enseignes italiennes gravure sur bois coloriée au pochoir papier en plusieurs couches avec rabats à l'italienne 100 x 58 mm dos : armes du Grand-Duché de Toscane, légende COLOMBA nomenclature IPCS : IPT-1 Au XIxe siècle, le minchiate voit sa popularité décliner : il est vraisemblable que de larges régions acquises au jeu au XVIIIe siècle (Rome, en particulier) l'abandonnent au
Extrait 3 :18 cartes (sur 97), enseignes italiennes gravure sur bois papier 101 x 61 mm (cartes), 425 x 293 mm (planche) nomenclature IPCS : IPT-1 Cette planche du Deutsches SpielkartenMuseum paraît bien être l'exemplaire le plus ancien d'un minchiateL'allure générale des cartes les a longtemps fait prendre pour un minchiate
... is online at ...
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6 ... ate.langEN
Huck
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Gallica is working on a new (more practical) concept of the page presentation, that's indeed a progress. For the moment one can operate both concepts, old and new.

Depaulis' work (see link in the last post) has some interesting presentations, otherwise not seen. So he has the Goldschmidt cards in colors:

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An interesting Magician, though I didn't understand, where he got it from:

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An interesting deck of 1780 ...

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Winter ... replacement for Pope

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Spring ... replacement for Popess

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... and other interesting things.
Huck
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Thierry Depaulis wrote in 2010 in his article "When (and how) Tarot reached Germany" (IPSC 39/2, starting p. 64) about the L'Hyver and Printemps cards at the Pope and Popess position (p 76/76) ...

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The deck of Laboisse in the British Museum was located, but it's presented without pictures ...
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/c ... sse&page=1

The description says:
DescriptionTarot pack: incomplete pack with 69 of 78 playing-cards
Hand-coloured woodcut
Backs printed in black with a pattern of hexagons enclosing suns
18th Century

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On the 2 of cups is "Louis de Laboisse, a la Perle Orientale a Strasbourg", and on the 2 of coins "Faict a Strasbourg par Louis de Laboisse". The engraver's initials J.N. are on "Le Chariot".

Curator's comments
The subject of No. II of the atouts is "Le Printemps". The missing cards are the ace and knight of cups, the king of swords, the knight of coins, and Nos. III-VI and VIIII of the atouts.
No. V - possibly "L'Hyver" - belongs to the missing cards.
According Depaulis the figure of Printemps uses elements of a picture "Nicolas de Largillière: La belle Strasbourgeoise" (made in 1703; but the card uses uses not the big hat). The picture was found ...

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http://www.jmrw.com/France/Strasbourg/p ... geoise.htm

It shows stronger differences to the figure of c. 1780, above shown.

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For the "Escamoteur" I found also this card ...

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... from a French Epinal deck (a deck in Becancon style)
http://crowhavenstudio.com/frenchepinaltarot.html
Huck
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Hi, Huck,
Huck wrote:unknown picture: Kartenspiel im Freien



from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... in_Germany
A much better version is available from the Rijksmuseum site:

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search/ob ... P-OB-937,0

They apparently don't allow easy downloading of this image. Because it's a nice 15th-century pic, I put a copy of it on Wikimedia Commons.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... -c1485.jpg

mjh
We are either dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants, or we are just dwarfs.

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Thanks, Michael,
1483-1487
Source Rijksmuseum: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/search/ob ... P-OB-937,0
Author Master of the Amsterdam Cabinet
Indeed a rather nice work.
According German wiki the Master is ...
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edirect=no
... also called the "Hausbuch-Meister"
The Hausbuch is presented here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausbuch_(Schloss_Wolfegg)

I think, we talked earlier about him (planets pictures). From the children of the moon ...

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Huck
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