I'm not sure, sometimes if I wonder if what we have is a remainder of a combination of several decks, but I have nothing to back that up with other than a tiny pondering, so I won't argue it. It stays until rebutted.Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:I don't know (I don't think so, though), but I am sure all of US agree on this.marco wrote:Does this leave Dummett out of our group?Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 3. The trump series originally had a coherent meaning.
Not sure...
Marco
Ross
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12A, B and C meant something to the people who arranged the trumps in those orders. There was a "narrative" in each order.robert wrote:Can you clarify that for me (just slightly confused).Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 5. Every one of the original orders has a coherent symbolic meaning.
6. Not every tarot trump series has a coherent meaning.
But for 6, this means that we can't apply that to every image on every type of deck produced. That is, some images may not convey part of the narrative sequence - the vignettes below the Star, Moon and Sun in various decks might not mean anything in the context of the narrative, in other words. They, and other cards in various decks, and whole decks (like the Animal decks and 19th century genre scenes of course) may have no coherent narrative at all.
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13Thanks Ross; and for anyone seeking further information on the A, B, and C orderings, see these two excellent pages:Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:A, B and C meant something to the people who arranged the trumps in those orders. There was a "narrative" in each order.robert wrote:Can you clarify that for me (just slightly confused).Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 5. Every one of the original orders has a coherent symbolic meaning.
6. Not every tarot trump series has a coherent meaning.
But for 6, this means that we can't apply that to every image on every type of deck produced. That is, some images may not convey part of the narrative sequence - the vignettes below the Star, Moon and Sun in various decks might not mean anything in the context of the narrative, in other words. They, and other cards in various decks, and whole decks (like the Animal decks and 19th century genre scenes of course) may have no coherent narrative at all.
http://it.geocities.com/a_pollett/cards26.htm
http://www.tarothermit.com/ordering2.htm
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149. There is no esoteric, alchemical, kabbalistic, numerological, geomantic, astrological, heretical, magical, or any other message than what an averagely educated 15th century Italian would recognize, in the narrative of the trumps.
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15You're trying to end the game? I'll be shocked if this one stands, I was hoping we could get further than 9 points! Well, let's see.Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:9. There is no esoteric, alchemical, kabbalistic, numerological, geomantic, astrological, heretical, magical, or any other message than what an averagely educated 15th century Italian would recognize, in the narrative of the trumps.
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16Well, nobody disagreed yet - I'm sure we'll get further though. The day is young.robert wrote:You're trying to end the game? I'll be shocked if this one stands, I was hoping we could get further than 9 points! Well, let's see.Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:9. There is no esoteric, alchemical, kabbalistic, numerological, geomantic, astrological, heretical, magical, or any other message than what an averagely educated 15th century Italian would recognize, in the narrative of the trumps.
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17LOL.
Well, let's try a fairly straightforward one.
A "standard Tarot Deck" includes 1 Fool, 21 Trumps, 16 Court cards, and 40 Pips equalling 78 cards in total.
Well, let's try a fairly straightforward one.
A "standard Tarot Deck" includes 1 Fool, 21 Trumps, 16 Court cards, and 40 Pips equalling 78 cards in total.
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18hello all,
My opinion is:
Tarot game is a 78 cards decks who has a global sense (I means a Code).
But may be it is not the good place to say this.
Best,
Yves
My opinion is:
Tarot game is a 78 cards decks who has a global sense (I means a Code).
But may be it is not the good place to say this.
Best,
Yves
Personne n'est au dessus de l'obligation de dire la vérité.
Nobody is above obligation to tell truth.
Nobody is above obligation to tell truth.
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19Yves, by "code", do you mean "secret code"? Or do you just mean "meaning"?Yves Le Marseillais wrote:hello all,
My opinion is:
Tarot game is a 78 cards decks who has a global sense (I means a Code).
But may be it is not the good place to say this.
Best,
Yves
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20Are we stuck? Add it or leave it off until clarification?