Re: Tarocchi goes west

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sandyh wrote:
24 Nov 2018, 01:58
I have just seen about 30 cancers, and a smaller number of scorpios, in books of hours. The scorpios look just like the lobster on the card, if you take off the hooked tail. Scorpios are usually shown with the body vertical and the head on top, and thus the resemblance to the card is immediate and striking. Cancers look like crabs, and are shown with the head to the right or left.
….if you take of the hooked tail :D

While the cancer sign is typically a crab, it was quite often represented by some other crustacean more akin to a lobster or crayfish. The creature on the Tarot de Marseille Moon is most clearly a crustacean, and in no way could be taken as a representation of a Scorpion.

Some examples of Cancer as more lobster like:

https://iconographic.warburg.sas.ac.uk/ ... &cat_7=618
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot

Re: Tarocchi goes west

#23
Sandy, you are absolutelyl right. It can be complicated on the BnF site. The fastest way is to know which manuscript you are looking for, by call number. Subject searches give varying results, depending on how imaginative, and patient, your searching is.

One way to search is at Gallica,
https://gallica.bnf.fr/accueil/fr/conte ... de=desktop
in the top bar type « heures (livres d’) »

This link below might take you straight to all the results of that seach (663, not necessarily all relevant to your purposes)

https://gallica.bnf.fr/services/engine/ ... &suggest=0

Another way is by the BnF portal “Mandragore”, which allows you to specify texts with images –
http://mandragore.bnf.fr/jsp/rechercheExperte.jsp

The sets of parameters can be complicated, but it pays to play with them. The word “Index” will open a box that allows you to select items in the category it is beside, so the Index to “Auteur” will open up authors’ names.
For subjects, on the left set of search bars, under “Manuscrits”, the third search box, “Titre d’usage”, click on the Index and scroll down to various titles of Livres d’heures.
For instance, there is “grandes heures d'anne de bretagne » ; click on that it puts the term in the search box.
Then click “Chercher” in the field of the boxes (not the bottommost “Chercher” which is a different field); this is beside “Effacer”.
This will open a page with one manuscript, “Latin 9474”; click on that and it opens up a page with the choice “Images” or “Légends” (descriptions), and choose “Images”.
Finally, you get to a page with images, 9 at a time, with 396 total in this case, over 44 pages.

I hope this helps, I haven't tried it for this subject.
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