Re: The Fortune of Francois Isnard: A treasury of innovation --
Posted: 08 Mar 2018, 10:35
SteveM wrote,
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10511145z
They seem to be from the same molds and stencils, but with different card makers' names on them and only the latter have the cartomantic writing, so even if they were from the same print-run, they would be different copies of the deck.
SteveM wrote
There would seem to be a yellow butterfly on the right side of the Star card of the first Isnard deck (I guess it's Isnard) you linked to, beneath the tree on a bush or stump; see http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/c ... id=3088915
The resolution isn't very high, but it seems good enough that Etteilla could have seen it there, whether it is really there or not.
It is definitely not on another deck, the one with the cartomantic notes. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b1 ... .item.zoom
Etteilla's butterfly is also yellow, and beneath a tree, at least near a bush.
I meant decks http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10537344z andNot sure what you mean by "why are these same number on different cards?" Which cards have the same numbers?
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10511145z
They seem to be from the same molds and stencils, but with different card makers' names on them and only the latter have the cartomantic writing, so even if they were from the same print-run, they would be different copies of the deck.
SteveM wrote
No, not the original French text. DDD say, footnote 33, p. 273, "Jean-Baptiste Benoist worked until around 1783 (T. Depaulis, "Maitres cartiers strasbrougeois", Le Vieux Papier, no. 312 and 312)." The reference to Etteilla himself is their 1785b, pp. 34-5, and fn. 1. Their bibliography only lists one work for 1785, the 2nd Cahier. I do have that one, in xerox (thanks to Cerulean back in 2012 or so). He only mentions "le sieur Benoit". Here is the page.https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-c9rHCvU2nbo/ ... ge_020.jpg. So the primary source for Jean-Baptiste in particular seems to be Vieux Papier.Does Etteilla actually refer to "Jean Baptiste" Benoit or just "Benoit" ? What are the dates of activity for J-B? I have c1791 to 1820, if Etteilla mentions J-B specifically that would take it back a little earlier -- I've been trying to track down the original french text to confirm
There would seem to be a yellow butterfly on the right side of the Star card of the first Isnard deck (I guess it's Isnard) you linked to, beneath the tree on a bush or stump; see http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/c ... id=3088915
The resolution isn't very high, but it seems good enough that Etteilla could have seen it there, whether it is really there or not.
It is definitely not on another deck, the one with the cartomantic notes. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b1 ... .item.zoom
Etteilla's butterfly is also yellow, and beneath a tree, at least near a bush.