FAICT A PARIS PAR

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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby SteveM on 09 Apr 2017, 10:20

SteveM wrote:
My immediate thought was netherlands --- but struggling with the writing, though it not too clear I think from quarter past to on the hour anti-clockwise I can make out H I S P A =

Spain? (Hispania)


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From period of Phillipe III ?

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Spanish coin(s) on latin suited French decks is possible a relic of the Spanish style latin suits that were used in France (for another example, the coat of arms of Kingdom of Spain on the Ace of Coins in Aluette decks) --
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby Huck on 09 Apr 2017, 10:24

Possibly done for the Spanish market? Spanish suits?

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A Jean Guymier (* 1600, insecure) died 1637 at 8th of March. Married before 1630 with Philippe Sarradin (died 1634, 16th of March), one daughter Marie (died 1673, possibly wrong).
Birth at ? 92,92,HAUTS-de-SEINE,ÎLE-de-FRANCE,FRANCE
Death at CLAMART,92140,HAUTS-de-SEINE,ÎLE-de-FRANCE,FRANCE,
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:S1Y1-T3C

GUYMIER (Jehan) marchand maître cartier bourgeois de Paris cartier ordinaire du Roi § obligation par Jean GUYMIER de 1130 l. empruntées pour reconstruire sa maison r. Aubry le Boucher enseigne des 3 Poissons
... seems to relate to the year 1608.
https://francearchives.fr/fr/facomponen ... caa5223470

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Printer signet "Claude Guymier"
http://www.drucker-marken.de/images/dru ... 8_hiob.pdf

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Claude Guymier
(Alexis Guymier) war 1552 Buch- und Papierhändler in Paris. Über seine Tante
Marguerite war er mit dem Buchdrucker Jean Petit verwandt. 1552 gab er mit
Louis Grandin »De utraque ...« von Petro Alise Carnutensis heraus.
In einem rechteckigen Rahmen sitzt auf einem Baumstamm ein Falke. In seinem
Schnabel hält er ein Band mit der Devise: »POST TENEBRAS SPERO LVCEM«.(Noctem
verterunt in diem et rursum: ...), Nacht will man mir zum Tag machen: Licht sei
näher als Finsternis, Hiob 17:12. Am Baumstamm hängt an einem Aststück ein
rechteckiges Schild mit dem Text »RAYSON PARTOVT«. Neben dem Baumstamm insgesamt
acht verschiedene Pflanzen sowie zwei weitere Baumstümpfe.


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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby SteveM on 09 Apr 2017, 10:38

Spanish coin(s) on latin suited French decks is possible a relic of the Spanish style latin suits that were used in France (for another example, the coat of arms of Kingdom of Spain on the Ace of Coins in Aluette decks - moved to the 2 of coins on the anonymous tarot paris) --

Re: your reference to Jean Petit - The daughter of Jean Guymier, cartier in the latter quarter of the 15th century, was married to the famous printer Jean Petit (responsible for printing at least a 10th of all books published in France, in his time) --
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby Huck on 09 Apr 2017, 10:54

Yes, there is something ... I got this ...

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Imprimeurs parisiens, libraires, fondeurs de caractères et correcteurs d'imprimerie, depuis l'introduction de l'imprimerie a Paris (1470) jusqu'a la fin du XVIe siècle: Leurs adresses, marques, enseignes, dates d'exercice. Notes sur leurs familles, leurs alliances et leur descendance, d'après les renseignements bibliographiques et des documents inédits
Philippe Renouard
Cambridge University Press, 10.11.2011 - 508 Seiten
https://books.google.de/books?id=kg3rTi ... er&f=false

unluckily not complete, only preview

Something goes back to earliest book printing. And to the famous Cosme Guymier, who seems to belong to the same family.
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby SteveM on 09 Apr 2017, 10:59

Huck wrote:unluckily not complete, only preview



You can see it and/or download it complete from BnF, I have his other book on printers from there too --
(I posted all the Guymier and other cartier references in it earlier)
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby SteveM on 09 Apr 2017, 11:40

SteveM wrote:
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From period of Phillipe III ?



re: IIIO is where the date would be (1610?)
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot
SteveM
 
Location: Turkey
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Aliases: kwaw, koy deli,

Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby Huck on 09 Apr 2017, 11:50

Hispa ... T(r)ionfia ... ?
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby SteveM on 09 Apr 2017, 16:53

Huck wrote:Something goes back to earliest book printing. And to the famous Cosme Guymier, who seems to belong to the same family.


Cosme (1456 - 1501) & Jehan (1450 - c1506) were siblings, both sons of Jean I Guymier

Jean II Guymier & Guyon Guymier were sons of Jehan

Jean Guymier was one of the four main booksellers at the University of Paris where he practiced until 1486, and was bookseller-juror between 1470 to 1473.

On April 5, 1470, Hermann de Alamania, aka Stardtborn, his postman, sold Guillaume de Tourneville, canon of Angers, for 40 ecus, the velin copy of the 1462 bible, now in the National Library of Rio de Janeiro.

His wife's name was Rassine; Cosme Guymier, licentiate in law, who published the Pragmatica sanctio at Jean Petit's house in 1504, was his son. His daughter Marguerite married Jean Ier Petit; his other son Jehan was a cartier (it is possible that Jean was a cartier too, as well as bookseller) -
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot
SteveM
 
Location: Turkey
Favorite Deck: Crowley/Harris Thoth
Aliases: kwaw, koy deli,

Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby Huck on 09 Apr 2017, 17:07

Where did you find the note to Cosme Guymier?
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Re: FAICT A PARIS PAR

Postby SteveM on 09 Apr 2017, 17:10

Huck wrote:Where did you find the note to Cosme Guymier?


the family tree is on geneanet (I gave you the link before) - :

Jehan GUYMIER
Sosa : 153,948
SOSA


• Born in 1450
• Deceased after 1506 - Paris, Seine 75, Paris
• Marchand, Libraire, Fermier
Parents
• Jean GUYMIER, SOSA , Deceased after 1486, Ecrivain, Libraire-juré
Married to
o Epouse de Jean RASSINE, SOSA
Spouses, children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren
o Married to Epouse de Jehan X EPOUSE GUYMIER, SOSA with
 Jean II XXX GUYMIER †/1538 married to Geneviève DE LAISTRE †/1555 with
 Agnès GUYMIER †1555/ married to Etienne HUVÉ †1555/ with :
o Claude HUVÉ
• Germaine GUYMIER †/1555 married to Laurens JULLIEN
 Jean III GUYMIER †1601/ married to Epouse de Jean X EPOUSE GUYMIER with :
 Jean IV XXX GUYMIER †1601/
• Geneviève GUYMIER †1555/ married to Antoine DE CAMPES †/1555
 Guillaume GUYMIER †1582/ married to Jeanne DE LA PLACE †1581 with :
 Magdeleine GUYMIER †/1581
o Guillaume GUYMIER †1582/
o Nicolas GUYMIER †1582/
o André GUYMIER †1582/
o Simon GUYMIER †1582/
 Père de Geneviève XXX GUYMIER married to Mère de Geneviève X EPOUSE GUYMIER with :
 Geneviève GUYMIER †1623
o Guyon GUYMIER †1555/
 Marie GUYMIER †1555/ married to Jean LAURENT †1555/ with :
• Bernardin LAURENS
o Guillaume GUYMIER
• Geneviève GUYMIER married to Noël TRÉGUY
 Nicolas GUYMIER, SOSA 1490-1553/ married to Epouse de Nicolas X EPOUSE GUYMIER, SOSA with
o Nicolas GUYMIER †1576/
 Guillone GUYMIER, SOSA †1584..1587 married to Raoullin BESNARD, Sieur de la Milletière †/1584 with :
 Martine BESNARD, SOSA
• François BESNARD †1587/
 Marie BESNARD †1587/
 Jehan GUYMIER 1530-1585 married before 1570 to Marie MOREAU †/1584 with :
• Jehan GUYMIER †1604/
 Catherine GUYMIER 1558-1601/
• Jehanne GUYMIER †/1586
• Suzanne GUYMIER †1601/
 Marie GUYMIER
• Guillemine GUYMIER †1601/
• Claude GUYMIER †1576..1588 married to Anne MOREAU †1588/
Siblings
 Jehan GUYMIER, SOSA 1450-1506/ Married to Epouse de Jehan X EPOUSE GUYMIER, SOSA
o Cosme GUYMIER 1456-1501

And the notes:

Jean Guymier, l'un des quatre principaux libraires-jurés, exerce de 1470 à 1473.
Le 5 avril 1470, Hermann de Alamania, alias de Stardtborn, son facteur, vendit en son nom à Guillaume de Tourneville, chanoine d'Angers, pour 40 écus, l'exemplaire de velin de la bible de 1462 aujourd'hui conservé à la Bibliothèque Nationale de Rio de Janeiro.
Sa femme se nommait Rassine ; Cosme Guymier, licencié en droit, qui publia chez Jean Petit en 1504 la "Pragmatica sanctio", était son fils. Peut-être est-il le même que Jean Guymier, cartier, dont la fille Marguerite épousa Jean Ier Petit ; cependant, il semble que Marguerite était fille unique.
Pierre Guymier, imprimeur, associé de Louis Grandin en 1552
Sa marque avec la devise "Post tenebras lux, Rayon par tout" est donnée par Silvestre, n°450.
[http://books.google.fr/books?id=kg3rTiWcsTwC&pg=PA171 ]
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Jean Guymier, "escripvain", un des quatre grands libraires jurés de l'Université de Paris, où il exerça jusqu'en 1486
[http://blog.pecia.fr/post/2007/10/06/Membra-disiecta:-un-fragment-des-Evangiles-de-Gilles-de-Roye-abbe-de-Royaumont]
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Jehan Guymier, l'un des quatre libraires jurés de l'université, vend au collège pour le prix de 4 écus d'or :Methaphysique, Ethiques, Politiques et la Réthorique d'Aristote, tout en ung volumes escript en parchemin en lectre de forme . 20 avril 1469. Parchemin.
[http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/ead-display/-/ead/pl/aicode/FR-FRAN/type/fa/id/FRAN_IR_001382/dbid/C345722462/search/0/guymier]
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Descendant pivot Adélaïde MARTIN (Galais Louis)
Descendant pivot Ernest LAGANDRÉ avec pour descendant(s) remarquable(s) Catherine LAGANDRÉ
Descendant pivot Henri MARTIN avec pour descendant(s) remarquable(s) Alain BEYRAND, Frédéric PROUST
Créé le 05/12/2015, modifié le 11/12/2015


It is easier to follow at geneanet, with tree spacing/formatting to make relationships clearer:

Jean Guymier
http://gw.geneanet.org/elastoc?lang=en& ... ymier&oc=3

Jehan Guymier
http://gw.geneanet.org/elastoc?lang=en& ... ymier&oc=3

Cosme Guymier
http://gw.geneanet.org/elastoc?n=guymier&oc=&p=cosme

Jean IV
http://gw.geneanet.org/elastoc?lang=en& ... &n=guymier

Jean III
http://gw.geneanet.org/elastoc?lang=en& ... &n=guymier

Jean II
http://gw.geneanet.org/elastoc?lang=en& ... &n=guymier
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot
SteveM
 
Location: Turkey
Favorite Deck: Crowley/Harris Thoth
Aliases: kwaw, koy deli,

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