Lot book collection (in work) ; theme lotbook

(in work)

Oldest Evidence for Divination with Cards (c. 2007)
http://trionfi.com/0/p/41/ (article of Trionfi.com)
... with some context to ...
Begin of Cartomancy (aeclectic article, 16-09-2007)
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p= ... ost1200908


The Pope with the donkey / "Oldest Tarot" ; theme lotbook (started 21 Feb 2011)
Start: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&p=9888#p9888
1. Fränkisches Losbuch (1425-50)
online: http://www.bildindex.de/document/obj00022941#|home
2. Lot book version of c. 1520, in Landshut printed by Johann Weißenburger
online: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db ... 06&seite=1
3. Bollstatter lot book collection (Cgm 312) ... between them a text with big similarities to 1. and 2.
online: https://bildsuche.digitale-sammlungen.d ... &nav=&l=en
Description of Cgm 312:
... http://bilder.manuscripta-mediaevalia.d ... 95_JPG.htm
... http://bilder.manuscripta-mediaevalia.d ... 96_JPG.htm
This is the MAJOR TOPIC of the thread: The online edition wasn't known at the beginning of the thread. It's discussion starts at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&p=18365&hilit= ... ter#p18365
Before the text was studied by Nr. 2 (version of 1520)
Other relatives to the 3 lot books above:
4. Trier version (Hs. 1121/1325)
Description: https://books.google.de/books?id=-itYVP ... &q&f=false
appeared in the discussion at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&p=9888&hilit=trier#p9888
5. Splendor Solis ... a very distant relation
appeared in the discussion at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&p=9908&hilit=splendor#p9908
6a. Heidelberger version with 32 animals instead of 22 (Cod. Pal. germ. 7)
online: http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit ... fc1c30dacc
appeared in the discussion at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&p=15544&hilit= ... erg#p15544
6b. Olmützer Losbuch, very likely a forerunner version of the Heidelberger version
appeared in the discussion at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&start=80#p19164
online in the description of Leopold Zatočil ... search for keyword "SpisyFF_131-1968-1_3.pdf"
Other lot books mentioned in this thread:
7. Another lot book system (system 16-16-16-16) described in Cgm 312 at 120r-143v
discussed at viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&start=50#p18395
description: http://bilder.manuscripta-mediaevalia.d ... 00_JPG.htm
online (start): https://bildsuche.digitale-sammlungen.d ... &nav=&l=es
8. Bolte takes No. 7 as similar to a lot book "Geomantia" of 1532
online: https://bildsuche.digitale-sammlungen.d ... riff=&l=en
dicussed at the end of post viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&start=50#p18395
9. Babylonian lot book 177/78 BC
discussed at viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&start=20#p9935
reported at: http://www.persee.fr/doc/syria_0039-794 ... _33_1_5177
"Ein Losbuch in Keilschrift aus der Seleukidenzeit" by Ernst Weidner, Syria Année 1956 Volume 33 Numéro 1 pp. 175-183
10. "Sepher Goraloth" by Ahitophel and others


Lorenzo de Spirito: Libro del Sorte ; theme lotbook (started 17 Jan 2010)
edition of 1482: http://www.ulm.de/sixcms/media.php/29/L ... a_1482.pdf

collection Fanti 1526 ; theme lotbook (started 26 May 2010)

Marcolini 16th century text? (thread at aeclectic, started 18-07-2006)
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t= ... =marcolini
... also article of Marco Ponzi at ...

Cammerlander Kartenloßbuch 1543 ; theme lotbook (started 12 Feb 2016)

Jean de Meun / Dodechedron 1556 ; theme lotbook (March 2017)

Leonora Bianca / Rampazetto 1565 ; theme lotbook (March 2017)

1831 etc. "Raphael's Witch" (March 2017)


Titel: Losbuch
Erschienen: Strassburg : Drucker des Breviarium Ratisponense (GW5433), 1480
Online Ausgabe: Berlin : Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin - Preußischer Kulturbesitz, Germany, 2014
Dokumenttyp: Monographie
PURL: http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin ... 7E00000000
identical to



Wibold, Ludus Regularis
http://www.maa.org/press/periodicals/co ... -his-world

Wien Codex 2352
description since 83v
https://archive.org/stream/verzeichnisa ... +punctorum

Looßbuch zu ehren der Römischen, Ungarischen und Böhmischen Künigin
Pambst, Paul, Vogtherr, Heinrich (1490-1556), in Straßburg 1546
online: https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothe ... XYWWHHZHWO
discussed at: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=442&p=5748&hilit=pambst#p5748
discussed at: http://tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=18 ... stcount=22


Wickram's lot book (1539)
online (1550 version): http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db ... 53/images/
online (Bolte): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Band_4.pdf
Also: https://books.google.de/books?id=K5Jxq9 ... el&f=false
https://books.google.de/books?id=D01vh0 ... &q&f=false

Liber jocunditatis seu de divinatione ex certorum punctorum numero
http://www.vhmml.us/research2014/catalo ... MSID=18587
Author: Basilius [= Socrates Basileus]
Supplied Title: Liber jocunditatis seu de divinatione ex certorum punctorum numero
Language(s): Latin
Note at Bolte (1903) p. 297

Wien, Österreichische Nationalbibliothek (ÖNB), Cod. 2352
made 1392 for König Wenzel - by Michael Scot
http://iconographic.warburg.sas.ac.uk/v ... &cat_7=442

Ludus fortunae, ad recreandam societatem Latinis versibus omnibus in contrario sensu retrogradis exhibitus, & in tres libros distributus
Joannes Sturmius
typis Francisci Simonis, 1633 - 192 Seiten
https://books.google.de/books/about/Lud ... edir_esc=y

Lot book in "Astrologisch-astronomische Sammlung : Ms. germ. fol. 244 , [um 1445]", Berlin
http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin. ... MDLOG_0110
"Losbuch von den Planeten", followed by "Lehrbuch der Geomantie" (Punktierkunst), deutsch
my comment: looks like 21 figures with 21 answers each.
description: https://books.google.de/books?id=y-nCDA ... he&f=false

Ortenburger Losbuch
online: http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin. ... erview-toc

Bolte 308

found by a note of Bolte

https://archive.org/stream/DerMagisterN ... ortilegiis

Libro delle finte sorti. Overo Indovinale Grillo, nel quale per opera di versi compartiti per aritmetica, si risponde a molte curiose dimande
Giovanni detto il Fantino Briccio
Gio. Ant. Remondini, 1669
description: Bolte 307, original edition 1627. 70 or 71 questions get 18 or 22 answers (in the edition of 1669 Isee only 18)
Translated to French by Marc Vulso de la Columbière in 1647.
Les Oracles divertissans, où l'on trouve la decision des questions les plus curieuses pour se réjouir dans les compagnies. Avec un Traité tres recréatif des couleurs aux armoiries... Le tout accomodé à la diction françoise par M. W. D. L. C. (Wulson De La Colombière)
Marc de Vulson
chez Augustin Courbé, 1652 - 142 pages
https://books.google.fr/books/about/Les ... fUpv6fyh0C
French edition with changed titel:
Le Palais des Jeux de l'amour et de la fortune. Ensemble le Royaume de la Galanterie et autres pièces divertissantes
François Colletet
J. de Loyson, 1663

Cod. Ser. nova 2652, Wien
https://www.froelichundkaufmann.de/Faks ... aaren.html
Bolte 318
Sotzmann Nr. 6
36 question lead to 36x36 answers


https://books.google.de/books?id=xDdOLo ... &q&f=false



Sotzmann (1850/51)

Serapeum, Zeitschrift für Bibliothekwissenschaft, Handschriftenkunde und ältere Litteratur. herausg. von R. Naumann. [With] Intelligenzblatt
Emil Wilhelm Robert Naumann 1850
https://books.google.de/books?id=vLMEAA ... edir_esc=y
1st part: p. 49-62
2nd part: p. 65-80
3rd part: p. 81-89

4th part: http://www.digizeitschriften.de/dms/img ... N001277359
5th part: http://www.digizeitschriften.de/dms/img ... N001277383
6th part: http://www.digizeitschriften.de/dms/img ... N001277413


Bolte (1903)
Georg Wickrams Werke Band 4
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Band_4.pdf

Bolte (1925)
Bolte, Johannes: Zur Geschichte der Punktier- und Losbücher. In: Jahrbuch für historische Volkskunde 1 (1925), S. 185-214


M. Steinschneider: Ueber die Mondstationen (Naxatra), und das Buch Arcandam
in Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft → Bd. 18 (1864)
http://menadoc.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/ ... info/21247

Re: Lot book collection (in work) ; theme lotbook

(in work)

Following Bolte (page 278-283: very old sources)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Band_4.pdf

Bolte 278

Pausanias 7.25.10
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 99.01.0160
On descending from Bura towards the sea you come to a river called Buraicus, and to a small Heracles in a cave. He too is surnamed Buraicus, and here one can divine by means of a tablet and dice. He who inquires of the god offers up a prayer in front of the image, and after the prayer he takes four dice, a plentiful supply of which are placed by Heracles, and throws them upon the table. For every figure made by the dice there is an explanation expressly written on the tablet.
schol. pindar. pyth 4, 337 (190)
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 99.01.0162
When the choicest seamen came down to Iolcus, Jason reviewed and praised them all; and [190] the seer Mopsus, making his prophecy from birds and the casting of sacred lots, gladly gave the men the signal to set out. And when they hung the anchor over the ship's ram, the leader, standing at the stern, took in his hands a golden goblet and called on the father of Uranus' descendants, Zeus whose spear is the thunderbolt; and he called on the [195] swift-rushing waves and winds, and on the nights, and the paths of the sea, and the propitious days, and on the kindly fortune of their homecoming.. And from the clouds there answered an auspicious peal of thunder, and bright flashes of lightning came bursting forth, and the heroes drew a breath of relief, trusting in the sign of the god. [200] The seer shouted to them to throw themselves into the oars, announcing that their hopes were sweet; and the rowing sped on under their swift hands, insatiably.
Sueton, Tiberius 14
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... apter%3D14
He returned to Rome after an absence of nearly eight years,1 with great and confident hopes of his future elevation, which he had entertained from his, youth, in consequence of various prodigies and predictions. For Livia, when pregnant with him, being anxious to discover, by different modes of divination, whether her offspring would be a son, amongst others, took an egg from a hen that was sitting, and kept it warm with her own hands, and those of her maids, by turns, until a fine cock-chicken, with a large comb, was hatched. Scribonius, the astrologer, predicted great things of him when he was a mere child. " He will come in time," said the prophet, "to be even a king, but without the usual badge of royal dignity;" the rule of the Caesars being as yet unknown. When he was making his first expedition, and leading his army through Macedonia into Syria, the altars which had been formerly consecrated at Philippi by the victorious legions, blazed suddenly with spontaneous fires. Soon after, as he was marching to Illyricum, he stopped to consult the oracle of Geryon, near Padua; and having drawn a lot by which he was desired to throw golden tali into the fountain of Aponus,2 for an answer to his inquiries, he did so, and the highest numbers came up. And those very tali are still to be seen at the bottom of the fountain. A few days before his leaving Rhodes, an eagle, a bird never before seen in that island, perched on the top of his house. And the day before he received the intelligence of the permission granted him to return, as he was changing his dress, his tunic appeared to be all on fire. He then likewise had a remarkable proof of the skill of Thrasyllus, the astrologer, whom, for his proficiency in philosophical researches, he had taken into his family. For, upon sight of the ship which brought the intelligence, he said good news was coming: whereas every thing going wrong before, and quite contrary to his predictions, Tiberius had intended that very moment, when they were walking together, to throw him into the sea, as an impostor, and one to whom he had too hastily entrusted his secrets.
Würfel- und Buchstabenorakel in Griechenland und Kleinasien
F. Heinevetter (1912) ... after Bolte (1903)
https://archive.org/stream/wrfelundbuch ... 1/mode/2up
from this:
7 antique Würfel-Orakel Minor Asia, fragments of a single system

According Bolte 5 astragali (1,3,4,6) are used to get one of 56 combinations and each combination is reigned by a god.



So this is another way to have a system with 56 units.
Bolte gives explanations at 279-80.

Bolte 280

Bolte gives sources ...


... to 1. a Greek oracle book with 24 answers (sorted according 24 letters of the Greek alphabet and 2. an Egyptian source with 56 results (based on 3 six-sided dice).

Bolte 281

Bolte gives sources ...


... to a text of 6-7th century AD, which gives a system of 92 questions and 1030 answers parted in 103 decades. The system was related to the Egyptian Astrampsychos and is also related to Pythagoras. Questions and answers are rather short.
Source 1. is here, mainly in Greek language ...
https://books.google.de/books?id=YFoGAA ... navlinks_s
Wiki gives this ...

Bolte notes some Paris manuscripts, in which the 103 decades are referred to men, women and countries of the old testament.

Bolte 283

gives ...
Sortes Sangallensis (all in Latin)
https://archive.org/stream/sortessangal ... 3/mode/2up
by H. Winnefeld 1887 Bonn

... a fragment, of which 52 groups of 12 answers remain and at least 78 others are concluded (St. Gallen, hs. 908). The fragment is from 6th century, the author Winnefeld assumes, that it is from 2nd century.

Sortes apostolorum
English description ... https://books.google.de/books?id=CZS6Cs ... um&f=false

Bolte gives this text as a source ...
Codex Canonum vetus ecclesiae rom. ex Bibliothec. D. Claudii LePeletier
François Pithou
https://books.google.de/books?id=-UdGAA ... navlinks_s
p. 370-373


It was done with 3 six-sided dice, it knew early prohibitions.

Bolte gives to the same theme:


Re: Lot book collection (in work) ; theme lotbook

(in work)

Following Bolte (284 - 287)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Band_4.pdf

Bolte 284 (start India)
Bolte speaks of Pasaka-kevali of at least 7th century AD ... this is very interesting, but not cause of that, what Bolte writes ... but cause this system relates to the I-Ching and the I-Ching is very interesting (at least to me). I made some researches to it.


The Indian Games of Pachisi, Chaupar, and Chausar
By: W. Norman Brown (1964)
https://www.penn.museum/sites/expeditio ... d-chausar/
Dice in general in Sanskrit are known as aksa; the oblong dice are distinguished with the name of pasa, pasa, pasaka, parsa–all being variants of one another and connected with the Hindi pasa and the Punjabi phansa. A form of the word occurs in the Buddhist story-collection known as the Jataka-book, which has some material dating from before the beginning of the Christian era and the rest from the first few centuries following. There is a story of a king who was so skilled in the science of dicing that when his opponent threw these oblong dice in the air, he could tell before the struck the dicing-board whether or not the throw would be favorable, and if it would be to his disadvantage he would catch the dice before they landed and have his opponent repeat the throw. The various throws were named, with names that would not be comprehensible from the story text, but we have another work that lets us know what they were.

This other text was a manual for reading the significance of dice throws for divination, not gambling, but it has the same terms. The oblong dice to which the throws refer were marked on their sides 1, 2, 3, 4. Since there were three dice used, and these three dice had a fixed order, a total of sixty-four combinations was possible. In the text, called the Pasaka-kevali, known in one recension as early as the fourth century A.D., these throws are indicated by name, and their prognostications are given.

The marking on the modern oblong dice is not always the same as that one the dice covered by the Pasaka-kevali. The game of chaupar uses marks of 1, 2, 6, 5, (sometimes 1, 3, 4, 6). We have already noticed that in the Indus Valley, nearly 4500 years ago the oblong dice were not uniform in their marking. The custom of having a fixed order for the three dice seems not to prevail in the playing of the games; hence only twenty combinations are possible, as against the sixty-four in the other case

Handwörterbücher zur Deutschen Volkskunde ...Berlin/Leipzig 1932/33
https://books.google.de/books?id=ncS_E- ... li&f=false


There is a relation to an old Turkish lot book series, which was found in Turfan ...
... after Bolte (1903). The Western knowledge about I-Ching wasn't much developed in that time. Richard Wilhelm published in the 1920s.


To the Turfan texts ...

https://rep.adw-goe.de/bitstream/handle ... sequence=4



The questions around these texts seem to be not all resolved.

The same pdf-file gives at page 95 ff. "2.2.4 Los- und Wahrsagebücher"a long series of text fragments (end of this point is at page 116). In some of these fragments (which often describe only one page) a direct relation to the I-Ching is given.


Bolte, who didn't know about these later developments, describes the Indian system. It operates with 64 units, which are achieved by three throws of one 4-sided die ... 4x4x4 = 64 (or 3 dice, which are thrown in a row, not all at the same time.
Bolte sees a relation to the antique games in Greece.

Bolte sees a relation to a game, which a Tamil author (Thoymanusawmy) invented or used in Berlin with the name "Sahadevas Wahrsagebuch".
I found the relevant source (1898) ...
The text tells a longer story (possibly a part of Mahabharata), but not much about the divination book.

Re: Lot book collection (in work) ; theme lotbook

------------(in work)

Following Bolte (284 - 293)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Band_4.pdf

Bolte 284 (start Arabia + Hebrew, finish at p. 293)

page 287

"fal-nameh" is an arabic expression for a lot book

According Bolte (as I understood it): Gustav Leberecht Flügel translated 2 Arabic lot books to German. One of these had 29 chapters, each chapter had an oracle verse for each Arabic letter. I didn't find the text. I found te short Pertzsch text:

page 288


1. is at ...
http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/de ... 00281.html
The object is a very fine lot book with 51 pictures of famous persons. It's located in Dresden.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... e_Moon.jpg
"Mohammed splits the moon" is one of the pictures.

is about geomancy works. I didn't attempt to find the sources.

Looking through the next pages I get the impression, that the theme of the Arabic and Jewish lot books is too complex to me. I would need a better overview. Bolte often notes Steinschreiber as an important source. I don't get the texts of Steinschreiber.
So I leave this theme aside for the moment. Perhaps later.

Re: Lot book collection (in work) ; theme lotbook

(in work)

Following Bolte (Alfadol or Alfadhol)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Band_4.pdf

Bolte (Arabic text, translated to Latin), p. 293 and 100

Bernd Friedrich Lutz: Das Buch 'Alfadol'. Untersuchung und Ausgabe nach der Wiener Handschrift 2804. Diss. Heidelberg 1967
(I didn't find it).
Paul Kunitzsch assisted Lutz for this work. Lutz had 7 texts of the Alfadhol.



Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft : ZDMG / Deutsche Morgenländische Gesellschaft
Zum "Liber Alfadhol" eine Nachlese, by Paul Kunitzsch (1968)
http://menadoc.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/ ... nfo/150253

Paul Kunitzsch added to the list Ltz this 5 Arabic sources.



Die deutsche Literatur des Mittelalters: Verfasserlexikon, Band 1
Wolfgang Stammler
Walter de Gruyter, 1978
https://books.google.de/books?id=Sx8IO9 ... ch&f=false
(article by Paul Kunitzsch)



Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft : ZDMG / Deutsche Morgenländische Gesellschaft
Eine neue Alfadhol-Handschrift (after 1982), by Paul Kunitzsch
http://menadoc.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/ ... nfo/150338
Paul Kunitzsch reported the new finding of a Persian version.


possible authorship in competing versions ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Kindi (most plausible, as it seems)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fadl_ibn_Sahl (or an author with a similar name, said to be a "Zauberbuchautor")
= Albumasar, famous astrologer (mentioned once as an author of a lot book system with 288 units, which was simplified to 144 units, said to have learned astrology from Al-Kindi)

Gherardo da Cremona, who translated many Arabian texts in Toledo (possibly active 1134 - 1178), is recorded to have translated the Alfadol and is also claimed to have made the oldest translation of a Geomancy text.

The oldest Latin manuscript is of c. 1280 (Cambridge version).


Bolte (p. 101-) notes other texts, possibly (?) related to the theme of 144 or the 12.

Codex ashmole 304

... it's online and shall relate to the 12 sons of Jacob
http://bodley30.bodley.ox.ac.uk:8180/lu ... 0etc.).%22


The sons are there, but this picture is preceded by 36 birds, from which each seems to give 12 answers ...


... and Pythagoras, but Pythagoras is preceded by other stuff and this shall be from Bernardus Silvestris, and the whole shall be the Experimentarius (which was already studied in another version ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=663&start=60#p18427
... ).
In this version with Pythagoras there are before Pythagoras 12 circles (spheres) with 12 fields each (12x12 = 144). And some other stuff with a picture of Platon and Socrates.



Bolte refers to a catalog note in this context (12 tribes of Israel), which I indeed could find ...
https://archive.org/stream/cataloguegnr ... h/anathema


... but I couldn't follow this lead. If it is indeed a lot book, it should be rather short, 2-4 pages. Bolte gives the info "12th century", Rouen.

"Sortes 12 tribium" are discussed here:
https://books.google.de/books?id=xDdOLo ... 22&f=false


Bolte refers in this context to the work, which was related to Jean de Meun ... I discussed recently an edition of 16th century ...
It directly refers to the Dodecahedron.

Generally it seems to be assumed, that 12-sided dice (Dodecahedron) were used for this kind of system ...


http://www.e-periodica.ch/cntmng?pid=za ... 85:42::425
... reports the archaeological finding of such items.

The original Arabic work was based on the zodiac and the 12 houses in astrology (12x12 = 144)


Inventaire général et méthodique des manuscrits français de la Bibliothèque nationale
by Léopold Delisle (1878)
https://archive.org/stream/inventairegn ... arch/mehin



ms. 14771 (14th century)
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9 ... odechedron

Le plaisant jeu du dodechedron de Fortune... - 1576
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6 ... rk=85837;2


Bolte p. 103/104



Melin de Sainct-Gelays, Oevres ed. Blanchemain 1873,
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/we ... 01491-1558
vol. 3, page 133-158 ff.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=141

Le Pantheon et temple des oracles ou préside Fortune. Dédié au Roy par François Dhervé... (Vers par Vos y no mas, D. G., J. d'Hervé, T. Mangon, Ch. d'Hervé, La Fertó. J. Cordhomme, Cleret, E. Allemand)
Jean-François Cocq d' Hervé
chez Denys Thierry, 1630 - 60 Seiten
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=141

Le palais des curieux, où l'algèbre et le sort donnent la décision des questions les plus douteuses et où les songes et visions nocturnes sont expliquez selon la doctrine des anciens
Marc de Vulson de La Colombière, oudot
Oudot, 1655 - 210 Seiten
https://books.google.de/books?id=2Ko1jE ... navlinks_s

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