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Re: Pseudo Charles VI Tarot : Exhibit on line Bnf

Posted: 29 Jun 2017, 13:11
by BOUGEAREL Alain
Post on Tradition de Marseille French Forum :
A propos de deux "cassones " datés l'un de 1466 et l autre de 1442 - portant l emblème des Medicis en possible corrélation iconographique avec le Chariot du TdChVI.
http://traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php ... 682#p13682

Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"

Posted: 10 Aug 2017, 21:04
by rithkhmer
Thank you very much for sharing such a beautiful article.

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Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI" : the Florentine path

Posted: 07 Nov 2017, 23:54
by BOUGEAREL Alain
rithkhmer wrote:
10 Aug 2017, 21:04
Thank you very much for sharing such a beautiful article

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Hi
Thanks.
It is a collective work. Well, i have my part also...
In 2008, i had published a synthesis on trionfi;com.
It was immediatly translated in Portuguese by Constantino K. Riemma
http://www.clubedotaro.com.br/site/h23_ ... onneur.asp
Since, the research, mainly initiated by Huck Meyer from a long time discussion between us two about the French "fleur de lys" in the Medicis Stemma,was discussed here by the main contributors - specifically related to the Charioter of the TdCh Vi;
The final article is a synthesis of our investigations :
Le Tarot dit de Charles VI : la piste florentine :
Article :
http://traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=932
Discussion :
http://www.traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=910

Re: Pseudo Charles VI Tarot : Exhibit on line Bnf

Posted: 07 Jan 2018, 00:30
by Phaeded
BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
10 Jun 2017, 09:50
...Charioter with Stemma of the Medicis associated to SPQR.
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Belated question Alain (or whomever can answer),
Whose arms are quartered with the Medici rings on the man leading the triumphal chariot on foot? It is not an insignificant position, especially in light of the contemporary Medici chapel Magi fresco (1459-61) where the man leading before Piero's horse (and Piero's personal stemmi are all over this cassone), also on foot, has been identified as a Martelli, who were instrumental in putting down the brief rebellion of the Albizzi when Cosimo returned in 1434. So whomever is leading the chariot might be construed as Medicean "muscle". In that regard, that's not Alessandro Sforza's stemma is it? The (Sforza-)Visconti radiant sun is otherwise certainly prominent throughout (to the right of the Fool's knee and on a foot soldier's shield in the left of the panel).
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Re: Pseudo Charles VI Tarot : Exhibit on line Bnf

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 22:30
by BOUGEAREL Alain
Phaeded wrote:
07 Jan 2018, 00:30
BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
10 Jun 2017, 09:50
...Charioter with Stemma of the Medicis associated to SPQR.
Image
Image
Images :

Belated question Alain (or whomever can answer),
Whose arms are quartered with the Medici rings on the man leading the triumphal chariot on foot? It is not an insignificant position, especially in light of the contemporary Medici chapel Magi fresco (1459-61) where the man leading before Piero's horse (and Piero's personal stemmi are all over this cassone), also on foot, has been identified as a Martelli, who were instrumental in putting down the brief rebellion of the Albizzi when Cosimo returned in 1434. So whomever is leading the chariot might be construed as Medicean "muscle". In that regard, that's not Alessandro Sforza's stemma is it? The (Sforza-)Visconti radiant sun is otherwise certainly prominent throughout (to the right of the Fool's knee and on a foot soldier's shield in the left of the panel).
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HI Phaeded

The Medici rings are evident.
Now whose arms are "quartered" with them?
The suggestion would be rather the Martelli hypothesis .
Maybe Steve could be more categorical

Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"

Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 00:45
by BOUGEAREL Alain
Remerciements au Professeur Andrea VITALI qui a mis en ligne mon article à propos du Tarot dit de Charles VI faisant le point sur la recherche historique
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Le Tarot “dit de Charles VI”
Le point sur la recherche historique
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=761

Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"

Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 00:45
by BOUGEAREL Alain
Remerciements au Professeur Andrea VITALI qui a mis en ligne mon article à propos du Tarot dit de Charles VI faisant le point sur la recherche historique
http://expositions.bnf.fr/renais/grand/042.htm

Le Tarot “dit de Charles VI”
Le point sur la recherche historique
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=761

Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"

Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 16:43
by BOUGEAREL Alain
If of interest in regard of English readers, an English translation is welcomed.

Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"

Posted: 08 Jul 2018, 20:09
by BOUGEAREL Alain
Special thanks to all contrbutors
Amongst the principal :
Huck Meyer alias Lothar with whom we, he and I first discussed, many many years ago ( that"s now in the history legend...), about the 7 Medici Palles without the Fleur de Lys of 1465
Steve Mangan for his precious data

I wish not to forget Kate or Phaeded
Their cntributions even not listed here are taken in account in the discssuion on Tarot de Marseille Tradition forum
Posts 2017 06 30 and following
http://traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=910

Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"

Posted: 09 Jul 2018, 09:42
by BOUGEAREL Alain
The difficulty was to present an "objective synthesis" (?) of what was known about the TdChVI.
The reader may be disappointed because there is no "definitive" conclusion...
That's not so bad! The TdChVI remains somewhere a "mystery"...