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A propos de deux "cassones " datés l'un de 1466 et l autre de 1442 - portant l emblème des Medicis en possible corrélation iconographique avec le Chariot du TdChVI.
http://traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php ... 682#p13682
Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI" : the Florentine path
#143
Thanks.
It is a collective work. Well, i have my part also...
In 2008, i had published a synthesis on trionfi;com.
It was immediatly translated in Portuguese by Constantino K. Riemma
http://www.clubedotaro.com.br/site/h23_ ... onneur.asp
Since, the research, mainly initiated by Huck Meyer from a long time discussion between us two about the French "fleur de lys" in the Medicis Stemma,was discussed here by the main contributors - specifically related to the Charioter of the TdCh Vi;
The final article is a synthesis of our investigations :
Le Tarot dit de Charles VI : la piste florentine :
Article :
http://traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=932
Discussion :
http://www.traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=910
Re: Pseudo Charles VI Tarot : Exhibit on line Bnf
#144Belated question Alain (or whomever can answer),BOUGEAREL Alain wrote: ↑10 Jun 2017, 09:50...Charioter with Stemma of the Medicis associated to SPQR.Images :
Whose arms are quartered with the Medici rings on the man leading the triumphal chariot on foot? It is not an insignificant position, especially in light of the contemporary Medici chapel Magi fresco (1459-61) where the man leading before Piero's horse (and Piero's personal stemmi are all over this cassone), also on foot, has been identified as a Martelli, who were instrumental in putting down the brief rebellion of the Albizzi when Cosimo returned in 1434. So whomever is leading the chariot might be construed as Medicean "muscle". In that regard, that's not Alessandro Sforza's stemma is it? The (Sforza-)Visconti radiant sun is otherwise certainly prominent throughout (to the right of the Fool's knee and on a foot soldier's shield in the left of the panel).
Re: Pseudo Charles VI Tarot : Exhibit on line Bnf
#145HI PhaededPhaeded wrote: ↑07 Jan 2018, 00:30Belated question Alain (or whomever can answer),BOUGEAREL Alain wrote: ↑10 Jun 2017, 09:50...Charioter with Stemma of the Medicis associated to SPQR.Images :
Whose arms are quartered with the Medici rings on the man leading the triumphal chariot on foot? It is not an insignificant position, especially in light of the contemporary Medici chapel Magi fresco (1459-61) where the man leading before Piero's horse (and Piero's personal stemmi are all over this cassone), also on foot, has been identified as a Martelli, who were instrumental in putting down the brief rebellion of the Albizzi when Cosimo returned in 1434. So whomever is leading the chariot might be construed as Medicean "muscle". In that regard, that's not Alessandro Sforza's stemma is it? The (Sforza-)Visconti radiant sun is otherwise certainly prominent throughout (to the right of the Fool's knee and on a foot soldier's shield in the left of the panel).
The Medici rings are evident.
Now whose arms are "quartered" with them?
The suggestion would be rather the Martelli hypothesis .
Maybe Steve could be more categorical
Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"
#146Remerciements au Professeur Andrea VITALI qui a mis en ligne mon article à propos du Tarot dit de Charles VI faisant le point sur la recherche historique
Le Tarot “dit de Charles VI”
Le point sur la recherche historique
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=761
Le point sur la recherche historique
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=761
Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"
#147Remerciements au Professeur Andrea VITALI qui a mis en ligne mon article à propos du Tarot dit de Charles VI faisant le point sur la recherche historique
http://expositions.bnf.fr/renais/grand/042.htm
Le Tarot “dit de Charles VI”
Le point sur la recherche historique
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=761
http://expositions.bnf.fr/renais/grand/042.htm
Le Tarot “dit de Charles VI”
Le point sur la recherche historique
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=761
Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"
#148If of interest in regard of English readers, an English translation is welcomed.
Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"
#149Special thanks to all contrbutors
Amongst the principal :
Huck Meyer alias Lothar with whom we, he and I first discussed, many many years ago ( that"s now in the history legend...), about the 7 Medici Palles without the Fleur de Lys of 1465
Steve Mangan for his precious data
I wish not to forget Kate or Phaeded
Their cntributions even not listed here are taken in account in the discssuion on Tarot de Marseille Tradition forum
Posts 2017 06 30 and following
http://traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=910
Amongst the principal :
Huck Meyer alias Lothar with whom we, he and I first discussed, many many years ago ( that"s now in the history legend...), about the 7 Medici Palles without the Fleur de Lys of 1465
Steve Mangan for his precious data
I wish not to forget Kate or Phaeded
Their cntributions even not listed here are taken in account in the discssuion on Tarot de Marseille Tradition forum
Posts 2017 06 30 and following
http://traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=910
Re: Le Tarot dit "de Charles VI"
#150The difficulty was to present an "objective synthesis" (?) of what was known about the TdChVI.
The reader may be disappointed because there is no "definitive" conclusion...
That's not so bad! The TdChVI remains somewhere a "mystery"...
The reader may be disappointed because there is no "definitive" conclusion...
That's not so bad! The TdChVI remains somewhere a "mystery"...