Re: Pseudo Charles VI Tarot : Exhibit on line Bnf
Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 15:38
Steve
"Once you have given a complete name, I think from that point you can abridge it, for example, for the first time
Roger de Gaignières Tarot (dit de Charles VI).
Bibliothèque nationale de France: KH-24
From then on, simply le Tarot de Gaignières (of if preferred, as being established, then Tarot dit de Charles VI)"
Yes. That's going to be progression to abridge it - once a consensus reached on the complete name.
Soon I hope!
Waiting for Mikeh, Huck, Kate, Phaeded ...
The question is : what dénomination can be given to the game?
I have preference for :
Tarot (?) de Gaignières dit de Charles VI
Steve's proposition is :
Tarot de Gaignières dit de Charles VI
We have a first feed back of the French Forum
Chevre : she goes your way and I suppose Bertrand will also!
"pour ma part, OK pour Tarot de Gaignières dit "de Charles VI", je trouve élégant de rendre hommage au grand collectionneur grâce auquel nous connaissons tous ces trésors. Même si, d'un autre côté, j'ai vaguement l'impression que Tarot dit "de Charles VI" suffirait... et simplifierait les comptes rendus. Quoique les abréviations sont aussi là pour ça...?! ("TG Ch VI" ?)"
Added later :
About 16 and 22...
I understand as you that it is a game of Trionfi later on called Tarot.
But in my mind, the word TAROT does appear in only 1505 with taraux and tarocchi.
In the TG Ch VI, we have 16 Trionfi.
Now, a wild hypothesis absurd : what if they were 22 and not 16?
Then I would have considered that we would have been in front of the first TAROT without it's later name!
But this is not the case
Maybe is it a Trionfi / Chess?
"Once you have given a complete name, I think from that point you can abridge it, for example, for the first time
Roger de Gaignières Tarot (dit de Charles VI).
Bibliothèque nationale de France: KH-24
From then on, simply le Tarot de Gaignières (of if preferred, as being established, then Tarot dit de Charles VI)"
Yes. That's going to be progression to abridge it - once a consensus reached on the complete name.
Soon I hope!
Waiting for Mikeh, Huck, Kate, Phaeded ...
The question is : what dénomination can be given to the game?
I have preference for :
Tarot (?) de Gaignières dit de Charles VI
Steve's proposition is :
Tarot de Gaignières dit de Charles VI
We have a first feed back of the French Forum
Chevre : she goes your way and I suppose Bertrand will also!
"pour ma part, OK pour Tarot de Gaignières dit "de Charles VI", je trouve élégant de rendre hommage au grand collectionneur grâce auquel nous connaissons tous ces trésors. Même si, d'un autre côté, j'ai vaguement l'impression que Tarot dit "de Charles VI" suffirait... et simplifierait les comptes rendus. Quoique les abréviations sont aussi là pour ça...?! ("TG Ch VI" ?)"
Added later :
About 16 and 22...
I understand as you that it is a game of Trionfi later on called Tarot.
But in my mind, the word TAROT does appear in only 1505 with taraux and tarocchi.
In the TG Ch VI, we have 16 Trionfi.
Now, a wild hypothesis absurd : what if they were 22 and not 16?
Then I would have considered that we would have been in front of the first TAROT without it's later name!
But this is not the case
Maybe is it a Trionfi / Chess?