Kate wrote: BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
For the psChVI Charioter, the first rows of Stemma's with 7 Palles without Fleur de Lys
would be those of Pietro de Medicis before May 1465
Lorenzo de’ Medici continued to use the seven-palli model. An example of its use during the reign of Lorenzo can be found in Botticelli’s Story of Nastagio Degli Onesti, Panels 1 and 3 (1483). The subject work may have been commissioned by Lorenzo for a marriage, which he negotiated between Giannozzo Pucci and Lucrezia Bini. In Panel 3, the Medici device of seven palli (fleur-de-lys at center) is flanked by the Pucci Moor’s Head (left), as well as the Pucci Moor’s Head impaled by the Bini heraldry (right).
But of particular interest is a maiolica plate (Montelupo, ca. 1516) depicting a Leo X procession. The flags carried by Leo’s soldiers bear the Medici seven-palli device—all red with no fleur-de-lys on a field of blue. Presumably, this is due to size restrictions—restrictions, which would, perforce, apply to the CVI as well."
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1218 ... er-of-the/
BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
Considerations in 3 points.
1. You wrote :
"Another issue, which tends to complicate matters is the fact that many Medici supporters purportedly used the device. I would presume, however, that this would not extend to use of the fleur-de-lys, which the French crown granted only to the Medici and their heirs—not the populace of Florence."
2. About Medicis later uses of the 7 Palles Stemma of Pietro de Medicis:
You wrote :
"Lorenzo de’ Medici continued to use the seven-palli model. An example of its use during the reign of Lorenzo can be found in Botticelli’s Story of Nastagio Degli Onesti, Panels 1 and 3 (1483). The subject work may have been commissioned by Lorenzo for a marriage, which he negotiated between Giannozzo Pucci and Lucrezia Bini. In Panel 3, the Medici device of seven palli (fleur-de-lys at center) is flanked by the Pucci Moor’s Head (left), as well as the Pucci Moor’s Head impaled by the Bini heraldry (right).
But of particular interest is a maiolica plate (Montelupo, ca. 1516) depicting a Leo X procession. The flags carried by Leo’s soldiers bear the Medici seven-palli device—all red with no fleur-de-lys on a field of blue. Presumably, this is due to size restrictions—restrictions, which would, perforce, apply to the CVI as well.
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1218 ... er-of-the/
Steve had noted :
" ... it is tempting to define latest date by reference to use of six palle and fleur dy lyss to 1465 - but not totally reliable, a marriage bedside bench c-1508 between a Medici and Strozzi for example has the seven palle"
And I later use :
Cardinalat Jules de Medicis - Villa Madama 1518 -1526
Villa Madama, salle de Guido Romano
Link : http://www.persee.fr/doc/jds_0021-8103_ ... m_2_1_1648
3. You noted :
You wrote : "I, too, commented some time ago on the link made by the CVI between the Chariot and Temperance via the matching, six-petalled, dotted floral motif (with a seventh point at center) or Medici device found on the Chariot’s drapes and Temperance’ gown. "
I had written :
Amongst the virtues, Temperance 's dress is also orned with flower (?) motifs kind of similar to the 7 Palles ...
The same textile repeating the Medicis pattern is on the Chariot immediately below the first rows of the 7 Palles of the Charioter.
Now, if my correspondence between the flower motifs of the dress of the female figure of Temperance and the Medicis Palles motif is anything more than mere speculation , this kind of "textile" for women repeating Medicis motifs as ornement could be the allusion present in the very simple dress of Temperance repeating the Stemma in the psChVI Tarot.
There is one example of this later on in 1492 but only a fragment much more elaborated and complex is left :
"Though we cannot be sure of the original dimensions of the textile, it was probably woven as a long border, with a repeating pattern of the Medici device, which may have alternated with other symbolic emblems relating to the family. A valuable textile such as this, specifically woven for the Medici family, would most likely have been reserved for use during important family events, such as marriages, or used on an important piece of furniture, such as the best bed in the household or a canopy covering a ceremonial chair. The device of the three feathers encircled by the ring above the motto SEMPER was used to decorate a variety of objects; other examples include a maiolica bowl, horse trappings, and ceremonial headgear"
So, if the speculation has any ground, this could explain the presence of this simple and protype textile repeating the Medicis Stemma either covering the Chariot or covering Temperance...as on the psChVI Charioter and Temperance...
About similarities berween floral or fruital motifs , Stemma with Fleur de Lys, Feathers and Diamond, a later use Villa Madama (1518-1526) :
http://www.persee.fr/doc/jds_0021-8103_ ... m_2_1_1648
About the use of Stemma in similarity to floral/fruifal motifs linked to Pietro de Medicis' Tabernacle
(1468? 1469-1483) :
"Fra' Domenico di Giovanni (Casentino, ... – Firenze, 27 ottobre 1483) è stato un teologo e religioso italiano. Domenicano, priore del Convento di Santa Maria Novella di Firenze, dove visse fino all'età di quasi ottanta anni, fu lettore ed espositore di Dante, provinciale di Toscana, vicario generale dell'Ordine.
Le sue esequie si tennero a spese del Comune di Firenze e dello Studio fiorentino, e il Convento di Santa Maria Novella ne fece in lingua latina il necrologio.
Scrisse La istoria di Firenze e il Theotokos, poema latino in lode della Vergine, che terminò nel 1468 e dedicò a Piero de' Medici. La prima copia di questo poema fu fatta nel 1471 da Piero di Giovanni Compagni, discepolo di Marsilio Ficino; la seconda copia fu eseguita da Jacopo di Niccolò Cocchi Donati e, nel 1475, esso provvide a donarla alla Libreria d'Ognissanti di Firenze, apponendo la dedica all'inizio del libro: Questo libro, che tracta di Nostra Donna Gloriosissima, e di me scriptore Iacopo di Nicholò di Chocho Donati cittadino fiorentino, istum librum largitus est praefatus Iacobus Nicholai Chochi Librariae S.Salvatoris hac die IV.Oct. 1475. Pro remedio animae suae. Io Iachopo Chochi così affermo.
Il poema Theotokos è diviso in quattro libri, più il proemio, dove c'è la dedica a Piero de' Medici. Nel primo libro l'autore parla della vita e della morte della Madre di Dio; nel secondo è esposta la gloria del suo Trionfo; nel terzo c'è un catalogo delle chiese dedicate alla Madonna a Roma e in Toscana; nel quarto vengono citate le chiese dedicate alla Madonna a Firenze e dintorni. Fra queste ultime si trova la Pieve dell'Impruneta e Domenico di Giovanni ricorda monsignor Antonio degli Agli che aveva fatto abbellire e adornare questa chiesa."