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Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 01 Nov 2017, 18:24
by BOUGEAREL Alain
1582 Gosselin Jean: "La signification de l 'ancien jeu des chartes pythagoriques...". La plus ancienne référence française connue d' une analyse pythagoricienne du Jeu de cartes ordinaires ? (The French oldest reference known today of a Pythagorean analysis of the ordianary deck ?).
1582 Gosselin Jean: "La signification de l 'ancien jeu des chartes pythagoriques..."
Une référence à l' Antique ...La plus ancienne référence française connue d' une lecture pythagoricienne du Jeu de cartes ordinaires?
I. Un "cadre pythagoricien" : traduction de l'article de Michael S. HOWARD
II. Une analyse pythagoricienne en conformité avec l'exposé platonicien de l'ordre des Eléments

Link :

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 01 Nov 2017, 18:26
by BOUGEAREL Alain
BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
01 Nov 2017, 18:24
1582 Gosselin Jean: "La signification de l 'ancien jeu des chartes pythagoriques...". La plus ancienne référence française connue d' une analyse pythagoricienne du Jeu de cartes ordinaires ? (The French oldest reference known today of a Pythagorean analysis of the ordianary deck ?).
1582 Gosselin Jean: "La signification de l 'ancien jeu des chartes pythagoriques..."
Une référence à l' Antique ...La plus ancienne référence française connue d' une lecture pythagoricienne du Jeu de cartes ordinaires?
I. Un "cadre pythagoricien" : traduction de l'article de Michael S. HOWARD
II. Une analyse pythagoricienne en conformité avec l'exposé platonicien de l'ordre des Eléments

Thaanks to Mikeh for his comments and to Steve for his collaboration...

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 20:14
by mikeh
On Pythagoreanism generally in the 15th-17th centuries, I noticed a very impressive post by John Meador in 2003 or 2004 that deserves not to be lost. It is at https://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php ... stcount=14. This is on p. 2 of the thread https://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=30834. A few of the posts following have more information.

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 08 Dec 2017, 20:54
by BOUGEAREL Alain
mikeh wrote:
08 Dec 2017, 20:14
On Pythagoreanism generally in the 15th-17th centuries, I noticed a very impressive post by John Meador in 2003 or 2004 that deserves not to be lost. It is at https://www.tarotforum.net/showpost.php ... stcount=14. This is on p. 2 of the thread https://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=30834. A few of the posts following have more information.
Thanks Mikeh
Very informative indeed.
I ll have to read it many times ;
That's the difficulty of not being fluent in English...

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 04 Feb 2018, 17:20
by SteveM
BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
29 Oct 2016, 19:31
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I have just be looking at cardmakers signs, the Payen two of cups reminded me of this thread:
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Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 11 Feb 2018, 21:59
by BOUGEAREL Alain
SteveM wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 17:20
BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
29 Oct 2016, 19:31
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I have just be looking at cardmakers signs, the Payen two of cups reminded me of this thread:
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Surprizing at least

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 13 Feb 2018, 09:42
by SteveM
Ace of Spades with crowned dolphin on shield
by the Parisien cardmaker Francoise Deletre - 1672-1698

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 22:23
by Huck
Name research: Payen, Deletre and Vieville

Payen (most often in French departement Nord)
http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/car ... lient=cdip

Deletre (very rare name, second most often also in Nord)
http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/car ... lient=cdip

Vieville (clearly most often in departement Aisne, which is directly close to Nord in Southern direction)
http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/car ... lient=cdip

Possibly all three artists are from the same French region, close to the border of modern Belgium.

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 22:43
by SteveM
Hi Huck, welcome back - hope everything OK with you?
Huck wrote:
15 Feb 2018, 22:23

Deletre (very rare name, second most often also in Nord)
http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/car ... lient=cdip

I wondered if it is a variation of Parisian cardmakers Delaistre -

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

Posted: 15 Feb 2018, 22:51
by Huck
The outfit and theme (unicorn) is somehow similar to the Tarot de Paris ...
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This was similar to the German deck made for the wedding of the daughter of Emperor Maximilian with the Spanish prince (1496). Before she was educated in Franceas the Future wife of the young French king Charles VIII (before he preferred Anne of Bretagne, a bride, which Charles stole from emperor Maximilian; a big European scandal).
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