Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

#211
From Isabella d'Este to a queen of Poland
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/gonzaga/gonzaga3.html
Francesco II, Marchese di Mantova (1484-1519), *Mantova 10.8.1466, +Mantova 29.3.1519; m.Mantova 12.2.1490 Isabella d'Este (*18.5.1474 +13.2.1539); they had issue:

A1. Federico II, Marchese di Mantova (1519-30), 1st Duca di Mantova (1530-40), Marchese del Monferrato (1533-40), *Mantova 17.5.1500, +Marmirolo 28.6.1540; m.Mantova 3.10./16.11.1531 Margherita Palaiologina (*11.8.1510 +28.12.1566), heiress of Montferrat
B1. Francesco III, Duca di Mantova, Marchese del Monferrato (1540-50), *Mantova 10.3.1533, +Mantova 22.2.1550; m.27.10.1549 Katharina von Habsburg (*15.9.1533 +28.2.1572)
B2. Guglielmo I, Duca di Mantova (1550-87), Marchese del Monferrato (1550-74), 1st Duca del Monferrato (1574-87), *Mantova 24.4.1538, +Goito/Bozzolo 14.8.1587; m.Mantova 26.4.1561 Eleonora von Habsburg (*2.11.1534 +5.8.1594)
C1. Vincenzo I, Duca di Mantova, Duca del Monferrato (1587-1612), *Mantova 21.9.1562, +Mantova 9.2.1612; 1m: Piacenza 2.3.1581 (annuled 26.5.1583) Margherita Farnese, dau.of Alessandro I Duca di Parma e Piacenza by Maria Infanta of Portugal (*Parma 7.11.1567, +Piacenza 13.4.1643); 2m: Mantova 29.4.1584 Eleonora de Medici (*1.3.1566, +9.9.1611)
D1. [2m.] Francesco IV, Duca di Mantova e del Monferrato (18.2.-22.12.1612), *Mantova 7.5.1586, +Mantova 22.12.1612; m.Torino 19.2.1608 Margherita di Savoia (*28.4.1589 +26.6.1655)
E1. Maria, *Mantova 29.7.1609, +there 14.8.1660; m.Mantova 25.12.1627 Carlo II Gonzaga Duca di Rethel e Nevers (*1609 +14.8.1631)
E2. Ludovico, *Mantova 27.6.1611, +there 3.8.1612
E3. Eleonora, *Mantova 12.9.1612, +there 13.9.1612
D2. [2m.] Ferdinando I, Cardinal (1605-15), renounced, Duca di Mantova, Duca del Monferrato (1612-26), *Mantova 26.4.1587, +there 29.10.1626; m.17.2.1617 Caterina de Medici (*2.5.1593 +17.4.1629)
E1. [by Camilla Faa di Bruno (*Casale 1589, +1662), morganatic marriage (secretly) in Mantova 1615 (reputiated 1616), child illegitimate] Francesco Giacinto, *Mantova 4.12.1616, +1630
D3. [2m.] Guglielmo Dominico Lungaspada, *Mantova 4.8.1589, +13.5.1591
D4. [2m.] Margherita, *Mantova 2.10.1591, +Nancy 7.2.1632; m.Nancy 26.4.1606 Duc Henri II de Lorraine (*8.11.1563 +31.7.1624)
D5. [2m.] Vincenzo II, *Mantova 8.2.1594, +there 26.12.1627, Cardinal (1615-17), renounced, Duca di Mantova, Duca del Monferrato (1626-27); m.1617 Isabella Gonzaga, dau.of Ferdinando Gonzaga, Signore di San Martino by Isabella Gonzaga dei Conti di Novellara (*1576 +1627), widow by Ferrante Gonzaga Marchese di Gazzuolo
D6. [2m.] Eleonora, *Mantova 23.9.1598, +Vienna 27.6.1655; m.Innsbruck 4.2.1622 Emperor Ferdinand II von Habsburg (*9.7.1578, +15.2.1637)
D7. [natural possibly by Agnese de Argotta Marchesa di Grana] Francesco, Bp of Nola, *1588/89
D8. [natural by Agnese de Argotta Marchesa di Grana] Silvio, *1592, +Mantova IX./XII.1612
D9. [natural by Felicita Guerrieri] Francesca, *ca 1593, +?
C2. Margherita, *Mantova 27.5.1564, +there 6.1.1618; m.Ferrara 24.2.1579 Alfonso II d'Este, Duca di Ferrara, Modena e Reggio (*28.11.1533 +27.10.1597)
C3. Anna Caterina, *Mantova 17/27.1.1566, +Innsbruck 3.8.1621; m.Innsbruck 14.5.1582 Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, Graf von Tirol (*14.6.1529 +24.6.1595)
B3. Luigi, Duc de Nevers et Rethel, *22.10.1539, +23.10.1595; m.4.3.1565 Henriette de La Marck, heiress of Nevers et Rethel (*31.10.1542, +24.6.1601)
C1. Caterina, *21.1.1568, +Paris 1.12.1629, bur there; m.Paris 1588 Henri I d'Orleans, 8th Duc de Longueville (*1568, +k.a.Amiens 8.4.1595)
C2. Maria Enrichetta, *3.9.1571, +3.8.1614; m.Soissons II.1599 Henri de Lorraine, Duc de Mayenne et Aguillon (*Digione 20.12.1578, +Montauban 7.9.1621)
C3. Federico, *11.3.1573, +22.4.1574
C4. Francesco, *17.9.1576, +13.6.1580
C5. Carlo I, *Paris 6.5.1580, +Mantova 20.9.1637, Duc de Nevers et Rethel (1595-1637), Duca di Mantova, Duca del Monferrato (1627-37), Duca de Mayenne 1621; m.Paris 1.2.1599 Caterine de Lorraine-Mayenne, dau.of Carlo Duca di Mayenne by Enrichetta di Savoia Marchesa di Villars (*1585, +Paris 18.3.1618)
D1. Francesco, Duc de Rethel, *1606, +Charleville 1622
D2. Carlo II, Duc de Nevers et Rethel (1627-31), Duc de Mayenne et d'Aiguillon, Marquis de Villars, Comte du Maine, Comte de Tende et de Sommerive, *1609, +Cavriana 14.8.1631; m.Mantova 25.12.1627 Maria Gonzaga (*29.7.1609 +14.8.1660)
E1. Eleonora, *Mantova 18.11.1628, +Vienna 6.12.1686; m.Wiener Neustadt 30.4.1651 Emperor Ferdinand III von Habsburg (*Graz 13.7.1608, +Vienna 2.4.1657)
E2. Carlo II, Duca di Mantova, Duca del Monferrato (1637-65), *Mantova 31.10.1629, +there 14.8.1665; m.7.11.1649 Isabella Klara of Austria, dau.of Leopold of Tyrol (*12.8.1629 +31.10.1685)
F1. Ferdinando Carlo I (Carlo III), Duca di Mantova, Duca del Monferrato (1665-1708), Duca di Guastalla (1678-92)+(1702-04), Duc de Nevers, Duc de Rethel -as Carlo IV, *Mantova 31.8.1652, +in exile Verona 5.7.1708; 1m: 1670 Anna Caterina Gonzaga (*1655, +11.8.1703); 2m: 8.11.1704 Suzanne Henriette de Lorraine (*1.2.1686 +19.12.1710)
G1. [natural] Giovanni, *26.7.1671, +27.10.1743; m.Charlotte Isabelle de Combarel du Gibanel (*6.1.1686, +?)
H1. Filippo, *1709, +1778; m.Css Rosalia Batthyány (? dau.of Count Adam Batthyány de Németh-Újvár by Css Eleonora Maddalena von Strattman)
I1. Eleonora
I2. Elisabetta, *1755
H2. a daughter
H3. a daughter
G2. [natural] Giovanna, a nun, *1686, +1749
G3. [natural] Clara, a nun, *1686, +1748
G4. [natural] Carlo, *1692, +1771
G5. [natural] Isabella, a nun, *1694, +?
G6. [natural] Maria Elisabetta, *1695, +?, a nun
D3. Ferdinando, Duc de Mayenne et d'Aiguillon, Marquis de Villars, Comte du Maine, Comte de Tende, Comte de Sommerive, *1610, +25.5.1632
D4. Ludovica Maria, *Paris 18.8.1611, +Warsaw 10.5.1667; 1m: 10.3.1645 Ladislav IV Vasa, King of Poland (*5.5.1595 +10.5.1648); 2m: 29.5.1649 Jan Kazimierz II Vasa, King of Poland (*22.5.1609 +16.12.1672)
D5. Benedetta, *1614, +Mantova 30.9.1637
D6. Anna Maria, *Paris 1616, +there 6.7.1684; 1m: (separated) Henri de Lorraine, Duc de Guise (+1664); 2m: Paris 24.5.1645 Eduard von Wittelsbach, Count Palatine of Rhine (*5.9.1625, +Paris 13.3.1653)
B4. Federico, Cardinal, Bp of Mantova 1563, *Mantova 1540, +there 21.2.1565
B5. Eleonora, *and +1535
B6. Anna, *and +1536
B7. Isabella, principessa di Mantova, *Mantova 18.4.1537, +Vasto X.1579; m.XII.1566 don Ferrante Francesco d'Avalos d'Aquino d'Aragona Principe di Francavilla, Principe di Montesarchio, Marchese del Vasto e Conte di Monte Odorisio (*Ischia VIII.1531, +Palermo 13.7.1571)
B8. [natural] Alessandro, legitimated
C1.-C4. 2 sons and 2 daughters
A2. Ercole, Bp of Mantova 1521, Cardinal 1527, *Mantova 22.11.1505, +Trento 2.3.1563
B1. [natural] Giulio Cesare
A3. Ferdinando I, Viceroy of Sicily (1535-46), Viceroy of Milano (1546-55), 1st Conte di Guastalla (1539-57), imperial general in Flanders, *Mantova 28.1.1507, +Bruxelles 15.11.1557; m.1529 donna Isabella di Capua (+Napoli 17.9.1559), heiress and dau.of don Ferdinando Duke of Termoli and Prince of Molfetta and Ariano
B1. Cesare I, 2nd Conte di Guastalla, Principe of Molfetta (1557-75), Duca di Amalfi, Marchese di Pomponesco e Ortiano, Duca di Termoli, Governor of Benevento (1558-66), *1530, +Milano 17.2.1575; m.1560 Camilla Borromeo (+6.9.1582)
C1. Ferdinando II, Marchese di Guastalla, Amalfi e Termoli, Principe di Molfetta, 1st Duca di Guastalla 1621, *1563, +5.8.1630; m.1587 Donna Vittoria Doria (*1569 +1618)
D1. Cesare II, 2nd Duca di Guastalla 1630, *Mantova 1592, +Guastalla 26.2.1632; m.1612 donna Isabella Orsini (*ca 1598 +1623), dau.of Paolo Orsini by Fulvia Peretti
E1. Ferdinando III, 3rd Duca di Guastalla 1632, *Mantova 4.4.1618, +Guastalla 11.1.1678; m.1647 Margherita d'Este (*1619, +12.11.1692)
F1. Anna ISABELLA I, Duchesa di Guastalla 1678, deposed from his cousin Vincenzo I Gonzaga, *Guastalla 12.2.1655, +Mantova 18.1./11.8.1703; m.Ferdinando Carlo IV Gonzaga, Duca di Mantova (*31.8.1652 +5.7.1708)
F2. Maria-Victoria, *Guastalla 1659, +there 5.9.1707; m.1679 Vicente Gonzaga
E2. Vespasiano/Vincenzo, Viceroy of Valencia, *8.9.1621, +3.5.1687; m.1646 María Inés Manrique de Lara (+18.8.1679), daughter and heiress of Manuel 9th Count of Prades de Nava by dona Luisa Enriquez
F1. Maria Luigia di Gonzaga-Lara, *17.4.1649, +3.9.1721/4.9.1729; m.10.11.1675 Thomas de la Cerda, 3rd Marques de la Lacuna de Camero Vejo (*24.12.1638, +22.4.1692)
F2. Maria Josefa; m.1690 don Antonio Caspar Pimentel Banoso de Ribera 4th Marques de Malpica
F3. Isabella, +young
F4. Diego, +young
D2. Vincenzo, Viceroy of Sicily 1677, *1602, +23.11.1694
D3. Andrea, Conte di San Paolo in the kingdom of Napoli, +1686; m.Laura Crespano
E1. Giovanni, Conte di San Paolo; m.donna Ippolita Cavaniglia
E2. Vincenzo I, Conte di San Paolo, Duca di Guastalla (1692-1702)+(1706-14), Principe di Sabbioneta e Bozzolo (1703-14), *1634, +Guastalla 27.4.1714; 1m: Porzia Guidi, dau.of Nicola Marquis of Bagno and Montebello by Teodora Gonzaga of Guastalla; 2m: 1679 Maria Vittoria Gonzaga di Guastalla (*1659, +5.9.1707)
F1. [2m.] Antonio Ferdinando, Duca di Guastalla, Principe di Sabbioneta e Bozzolo 1714, *Guastalla 6.12.1687, +burned alive in an accident in Guastalla 19.4.1729; m.29.7.1727 Teodora of Hessen-Darmstadt (*Vienna 6.2.1709, +Parma 23.1.1784)
F2. [2m.] Giuseppe Maria, Duca di Guastalla, Principe di Sabbioneta e Bozzolo 1729, an idiot, *Guastalla 20.4.1690, +Guastalla 16.8.1746; m.Lilienfeld 29.4.1731 Dss Eleonora von Schleswig-Holstein-Sondenburg (*18.2.1715, +18.4.1760)
F3. [2m.] Isabella, *III.1689, +Guastalla 1726
F4. [2m.] Antonia, *1685, +1687
F5. [2m.] Eleonora, *Guastalla 13.11.1686, +Bologna 16.3.1742; m.Florence 14.7.1709 Francesco Maria Medici (*12.11.1660 +3.2.1711)
D4. Zenobia, *1588, +1618; m.1607 don Giovanni Tagliavia d'Aragona Duke of Terranova
D5. Teodora; m.Nicola Guidi Marquis of Montebello and Bagno (*1583 +1663)
D6. Vittoria, +young
D7. Isabella, +young
D8. Artemisia, +young
D9. Francesco, +young
D10. Filippo, +young
D11. Giannettino, +16.4.1649
C2. Margherita, *1562, +1618; m.Vespasieno Gonzaga-Sabionette
C3. Scipione, Cardinal, Patriarch of Jerusalem, +1593
C4. [natural] Ippolita; m.Alfonsino Cauzzio Gonzaga, son of Sigismondo by Renata d'Este
B2. Ippolita, *1531, +1563; m.Fabrizio Colonna (*1525 +1551)
B3. Francesco, Cardinal and Protonotario Apostolico from 26.2.1561, Archbishop of Cosenza 1562, Bp of Mantova 1565, *1538, +Roma 6.1.1566
B4. Gian Vicente, Priore in Barletta of SMOM, Cardinal 21.2.1576, +Roma 23.12.1591
B5. Ottavio, chivalry general in Milano, +1583; 1m: Isabella da Correggio, dau.of Manfredo Count of Correggio by Lucrezia d'Este from Marquis of San Martino in Rio, widow of Giberto Pio lord of Sassuolo; 2m: IX.1575 Cecilia Medici from marquess of Marignano (*1552/53 +17.9.1616)
C1. [2m.] Ercole, +1603
C2. [2m.] Gian Ottavio; m.Antonia Carafa
D1. Ottavio, +1617
C3. [natural] Francesco, Knight of Malta
B6. Filipppo, +young
B7. Anna, +young
B8. Ippolita; 1m: don Fabrizio Colonna ereditary prince of Paliano (*1532 +VIII.1551); 2m: N Carafa Duke of Mondragone
B9. Andrea, +1586 marquis of Specchio and Alessano
B10. Geronima, +young
B11. Maria, +young
B12. [natural] Lucia; m."cavaliere" de Negri
A4. Eleonora, *Mantova 31.12.1493, +Urbino 1550; m.1507 Francesco Maria I della Rovere Duca di Urbino (*22.3.1490 +21.10.1538)
A5. Margherita, *Mantova 13.7.1496, +there 22.9.1496
A6. Livia, *1501, +I.1508
A7. Ippolita, a nun a Mantova, *13.11.1503, +16.3.1570
A8. Paola, a franciscan nun at Mantova, *VIII.1508, +1569
A9. [natural] Teodora, legitimated
A10. [natural] Margherita, legitimated
In short, Isabella d'Este (active with cards in 1512) became grandmother to Louis or Ludovico or Luigi Gonzaga (active with cards 1559) and this became grandfather to the young woman, which ordered the Tarot rules in 1637.

Analysing the French Tarot documents of 16th century, one gets, that the early notes are mostly insecure and often more Italian than French notes. A radical change happens since 1574, when Henry III became king, then we get a lot of French notes. It was Louis or Ludovico or Luigi Gonzaga, who accompanied the fresh king of Poland on his flight of this job through ITALY in 1574 to France. Louis had much influence on him. The French court took then up Italian customs. This promoted the Tarocchi fashion in France.
This journey through Italy in 1574 likely had a greater importance on the development, once for the general political development, but especially also for Tarot in France.

Compare ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=807&hilit=1574

Once I collected this ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=747&p=10683&hilit= ... ubs#p10683
Image

That's the modern distribution of French Tarot Clubs. Dark green is much (till 15), white is no Tarot Club in the region. Dark green appears massive in the specific region, which earlier belonged to Burgundy (near to Nevers), but also North, near to Belgium.
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

#212
BOUGEAREL Alain wrote:
Huck wrote:
mikeh wrote: I have left in what seem to be some small errors in note 5: 1634 is not the year of the Rules transcribed by Depaulis, nor is that year part of the title at the website given, http://www.tarock.info/depaulis.htm. Also, it is not the same as the Maison Academique rules, which were of 1659 and not in consideration here. One other thing is that the object of the game was not to win as many tricks as possible (assuming I have understood "pli" properly as "trick"), but to win as many points as possible. There is also the question of how to translate others of the 1637 terms: leuer [lever = raise?], descompte [discount?], partie [hand?], rencon [recompense?], and renonce [put a card into play?].
Marolles autobiography, book 1, p. 190 (related to the year 1633, in a side note) and p. 213 (related to the year 1637)
https://books.google.de/books?id=zJoPAA ... ts&f=false

Hi Huck and Mikeh

I've translated the passage relative to 1637 and Tarots of the Memoires de Michel de Mirolles.

The rule of 1637 appears to be a special Rule inspired by Marie de Nevers daugter of the Duke of Mantoue.
The datation is between Juy 21st and September 21st.

:-bd

Madame la Princesse Marie voulut jouer aux Tarots qui est une sorte de cartes dont l'usage était autrefois plus fréquent qu'il n'est à présent ; et m'ayany fait l'honneur de me mettre de la partie, comme les lois de ce jeu semblaient pas assez belles ni diversifiées, elle trouva bon d'en faire de nouvelles et de ma charger de les écrire et de les faire imprimer, afin que personne n'en pû abuser. Il est vari qu'elles rendirent ce jeu beaucoup plus beau ; et ceux, qui les apprirent et qui s'y accoutemèrent, s'y plyrent tellement qu'ils ne pouvaient [plus] presque aimer d'autre jeu. Je fus de ce nombre là.et quoique je n'y fusse pas heureux, comme je ne l'ai jamais été à quelque jeu que ce soit, j'avoue que les heures m'y duraient fort peu.

(Le jeu des tarots, 1637 pp.209-214 : Mémoires de Michel de Mirolles, Abbé de Villeloin, avec des notes historIques et critiques; T1; Imprimé à Amsterdam, 1755)

Ces lignes des Mémoires de l'Abbé de Mirolles portant sur l'année 1637 sont rédigées :
-après la Pentecôte lors de sa viste visiter la Princesse Marie de Nevers [fille du Duc de Mantoue] où il séjourna deux mois dans "un logement du grand chäteau"
-et avant septembre 1637, date de la mort de "sn Altesse Sérénissime M. le Duc de Mantoue, arrivée dans la ville capitale le vingtet unième de ce même mois."
Donc, le séjjour de Michel de Marolles durant deux mois à Nevers, la Règle en question a été écrite entre le 21 juillet et le 21 september 1637

Translation in English :

"Madam the Princess Marie wanted to play Tarots, which is a kind of cards that used to be played much more formerly that is is nowadays ; and, having invited me to be in her game, as the rules didn't seem beautiful enough to her, nor varied enough, she decided to create new ones, and instructed me to wrute them and have them printed, so they would be more useful and so that no one would abuse.
It is true that those rules made the game a lot more beautiful, et the ones who learned them and got used to them enjoyed them so much that they could nearly not like any other game. I was among those ones ; and although I wasn't lucky, as I wasn't lucky in any other games, I must admit that the hours I spent playing it seemed quite short. But since this Princess's exaltation deprived me of the happiness to see her, I didn't like this game anymore nor didn't I care anymore to see the great world maybe "the high society" might be more appropriate here"

Cf : viewtopic.php?f=11&t=611&hilit=marolles+1637#p8899
http://www.sgdl-auteurs.org/alain-bouge ... Biographie

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

#213
Post updated September 2

Very, very interesting.
Data about Louise Marie de Gonzague Nevers by T. DEPAULIS :
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1102&start=190#p17413

Coming back to the Tarot de Paris :
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1102&start=200#p17430

Well, I personnally see there's one major iconographic correlation with the Tarot de Paris and Abbé de Mirolles decription .
https://ec56229aec51f1baff1d-185c3068e2 ... 554948.jpg


It's very similar to the World as described by Marolles in his "Ballet of Cards and Tarots" :

"Le Monde représenté par une grosse boule qui se meut d'elle-même, ayant quelque forme humaine, ou bien par une Figure coiffée d'un Globe et ceinte du Zodiaque, en guise d'écharpe" ;
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1102&start=200#p17428

Amongsu all the World Cards known, it is the one who us the closest to the iconography described by Marolles :

"Urania : Albrecht Dürer did an engraving of such a figure (for the Prognosticon of Johannes Stabius, 1502). Called “Urania”, the Greek word for “heaven”, also the name of the Muse of Astronomy, Dürer’s depiction comes close to that of Plato’s description of the World Soul, “interfused everywhere from the center to the circumference of heaven, of which she is the external envelopement" (Timaeus 36E).


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xAs_j9_bmUI/ ... c54d64.jpg


http://platonismandtarot.blogspot.fr/

This somewhere brings us back to the d' Este ...
" Isabella d'Este (active with cards in 1512) became grandmother to Louis or Ludovico or Luigi Gonzaga (active with cards 1559) and this became grandfather to the young woman, which ordered the Tarot rules in 1637"
(Cf Huck MEYER)






Nota bene
In the Visconti , we have the Globe
In the Mantega no globe
In the D' Este the Globe again
Dick Tarot Card and Rosenwald Tarot Card : Globe
Charles VI : Globe
Alexandro Sforza : Globe

Tarot de Paris : Globe and something like an Echarpe or 'large cloak" with Fortune dominating as Imperatrix Mundi
Comment of Andrea VITALI :
"In the anonymous Parisian Tarot card, which dates from the XVII century, there is the Goddess Fortune in her dominating position (Imperatrix Mundi) and she’s standing naked on the globe deciding its destiny . ."


The Tarot de Marseille's World originates "In an Italian Tarot of the XVI century - of which there are only a few cards and these are now in the Castello Sforzesco Museum in Milan
http://letarot.it/page.aspx?id=133#
= no Globe
- in the World card we can see the iconographic variation that will then become stable in the Marseille Tarot"
http://www.sgdl-auteurs.org/alain-bouge ... Biographie

Louise Marie de NEVERS GONZAGUE

#214
Huck MEYER souligne que :
"Isabella d'Este (active with cards in 1512) became grandmother to Louis or Ludovico or Luigi Gonzaga (active with cards 1559) and this became grandfather to the young woman, which ordered the Tarot rules in 1637".

Extraits de T. DEPAULIS http://www.academia.edu/15316947/_Quand ... p._313-326

LOUISE-MARIE DE GONZAGUE-NEVERS
"Qui est donc cette « princesse Marie » joueuse de tarot qui, « les loix de ce jeu neluy [semblant] pas assez belles, ny assez diversifiées, … trouva bon d’y en faire de nouvelles » ?

Louise-Marie de Gonzague-Nevers est l’aînée des filles de Charles Ier de Gonzague, duc de Rethel, de Nevers, prince de Mantoue, et de Catherine de Lorraine(1585-1618). Elle est donc issue de cette branche cadette des Gonzagues de Mantouequi s’est installée en France avec Ludovico Gonzaga (1539-1595), son grand-père, devenu duc de Nevers par mariage en 1565 et conseiller du roi Henri IV. Nevers était leur capitale où, dès la fin du , le duc Louis avait fait venir des faïenciers et des verriers italiens qui en firent le principal centre de production du royaume au XVIIe siècle. La ville a gardé de ce passé prestigieux nombre de beaux monuments. Les faïences et les verres filés de Nevers sont justement réputés.


[Charles de Gonzague]

Fait duc de Rethel à un an par Henri III, héritier du duché de Nevers à la mort de son père Louis, Charles de Gonzague (1580-1637) est un allié du roi puissant mais turbulent, dispersant ses palais à Nevers, Rethel et Paris, fondant en 1608 une ville à son goût : Charles-ville (aujourd’hui Charleville-Mézière).

Prince guerrier, il appelle pour assurer l’éducation de son fils aîné, François (1606-1622), duc de Rethel, un autre militaire, Claude de Marolles, père de Michel.
À Nevers, il réside dans le château, édifié aux XVe et XVIe siècles, qui domine de sa large façade Renaissance l’esplanade qu’il afait aménager en 1607 et 1612. C’est le « grand Chasteau » où fut installé Marolles,aujourd’hui Palais ducal.

Après avoir rêvé de devenir empereur de… Constantinople parce que sa grand-mère était une Paléologue, Charles de Gonzague-Nevers se rua àMantoue quand mourut sans héritier direct son cousin le duc Vincenzo II (1594-1627).Les quatre ans passés à tenter de conquérir son duché, que lui disputaient âprement le duc de Savoie et l’Empereur, virent la prise et le sac de Mantoue par les lansquenets en 1630. La cité ne devait jamais s’en remettre.

[Louise Marie de Gonzague Nevers]

Née à Nevers, sa fille Louise-Marie y fut baptisée le 11 septembre 1611 . Ayant tôt perdu sa mère, la fillette fut élevée par sa tante Catherine de Gonzague, duchesse de Longueville (c.1569-1629).
Introduit par son père Claude, gouverneur du duc de Rethel,Michel de Marolles devint en quelque sorte son précepteur.
« On a peu de détails sur l’adolescence de Marie », écrit Raoul Toscan. Belle mais trop faiblement dotée par un père fort dépensier, elle rêve d’un grand mariage. Gaston d’Orléans s’éprend d’elle en 1627, mais Marie de Médicis s’y oppose et la fait enfermer à Vincennes en 1629 !
C’est Louis XIII qui l’en fait sortir.
Elle tente alors sa chance auprès de Ladislas Vasa (Wladyslaw Wasa, 1596-1648), roi de Pologne depuis 1632,mais celui-ci préfère épouser une Habsbourg en 1637.
À la mort de son père en septembre 1637, survenue à la fin du séjour de Marolles,Marie s’approprie le duché de Nevers, car tous ses frères sont morts. Elle se fait confier le gouvernement du Nivernais qu’elle partage avec sa sœur Anne de Gonzague (1616-1684), future « princesse palatine ».
Le 29 mai 1639, elle fait une entrée solennelle à Nevers.
Mais Louise-Marie préfère vivre à Paris où elle reprend l’hôtel de Nevers,qu’elle fera démolir pour en vendre le terrain. C’est alors qu’elle s’éprend follement d’Henri Coiffier de Ruzé d’Effiat, marquis de Cinq-Mars, dont l’exécution pour complot, le 12 septembre 1642, l’affecta beaucoup.
En outre, son neveu Charles II, duc de Mantoue, lui dispute le Nivernais et obtient en 1645 du Conseil d’État du Roi la reconnaissance de ses droits. Le duché de Nevers échappe complètement aux deux sœurs.
En mars 1644, toutefois, le rêve se réalise : Ladislas VII, roi de Pologne, perd sa femme ; devenu veuf, il cherche à se remarier. Mazarin lui propose Marie qui accepte.Le 5 novembre 1645, Louise-Marie de Gonzague-Nevers épousa Ladislas par procuration. Au printemps 1646, la princesse faisait son entrée dans Varsovie en liesse pour yretrouver en grande pompe son époux. C’était là son premier grand voyage hors du royaume de France. Ladislas devait mourir peu après, en 1648. Décidée à rester reine de Pologne, Marie épousa son frère et successeur Jean II Casimir Vasa (1609-1672) qui régna de 1648 à 1668. Elle mourut à Varsovie le 9 mai 1667. Devenu veuf, Jean Casimir eut à affronte run pays de plus en plus troublé et abdiqua en 1668.
L’année suivante, il s’installait en France. C’est presque par hasard que, passant par Nevers pour aller prendre les eaux à Pougues, il y meurt en 1672. Depuis 1659, toutefois, Nevers n’appartenait plus aux Gonzagues. Récupéré par Charles II (III), duc de Mantoue, petit-fils de Charles Ier , le duché fut vendu par celui-ci au cardinal Mazarin et aux Mancini, qui le détinrent jusqu’à la Révolution."
http://www.sgdl-auteurs.org/alain-bouge ... Biographie

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

#215
The ballet of Marolles has the interesting detail, that Tarot cards fight with normal playing cards, French playing cards. The Tarot cards lose the fight.

Huck 5 years ago ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&p=10705&hilit=marolles#p10705
In the second "Dessein" (totally there are 4 of them) the cards of Tarot play a great role. From the trumps only World, Fool and Bateleur appear, which means only those trumps, which have points in the game. Further the Kings appear with their queens, then the chevaliers with their valets (which also have points in the game). The suit signs are those of the Italian Tarots.
But then appear also playing cards with French suits and there is a battle in small dimensions between the Valets of the both groups. Then it seems, that World, Fou and Bateleur give a sort of judgment, and then the next "Dessein" starts. Or they look only the show of the others.
I really don't know, what this battle shall mean. I get the suspicion, that this shall present a negative result against the Tarot cards and a win of the French suits.
Tarot history is judged by Depaulis and Dummett, that Tarot in France got a downfall in interest in the game of Tarot. Is this indicated also in this ballet, which seems to express the desire to have own national symbols on the cards and not from foreign countries? We had two Italian queens on French throne and this likely promoted the Italian in France. But what happened, when Louis XIII got his well known conflicts with his mother Maria de Medici? And later this earlier French-Italian phase finished with the Gonzagas leaving France?
It's not clear to me, if the ballet ever was presented on stage. It seems clear, that this ballet was made for the young King Louis XIV.
In the later period (Louis with full court) Louis promotes card-playing and uses cards weekly (I remember twice) as a fixed social engagement with many participants. It was never observed (at least by me) that Louis promoted Tarot cards in connection to these fixed installations. It's not clear to me, how long this habit was the general custom, the description, that I've read about it, spokes only in a global manner, as if this had been "always" so (which I would doubt).
It was part of the politic of Louis, who had the interest to keep the high nobility near the court (to avoid possible rebellions).

So ... what was this ballet good for? It seems to present an antipathy against (Italian) Tarot cards and a sympathy for (French) normal playing cards ... something, which seems to have been realized in the time, when Louis had decided to participate in the reignment of the state with the motto "L'Etat c'est moi" and the state was France.

Playing cards were a "national question" and these Tarot cards had an emperor and the emperor was German, which gave a reason to assume, that the deck type was originally German and that was something, what Louis XIV didn't desire (as suspected by a physician of Louis 1654, and in the French game book in 1659, if I remember correctly).

There was a downfall of French Tarot interests in a global manner, attested by Dummett and others, not directly precise in the dates and I didn't saw, that anybody mentioned the ballet show of 1657 in this context. But I think, that it should belong to the context.

Around the same time the engraver Poilly (close to engraving commissions for the French court) developed the Minchiate Francesi. This wasn't Tarot, but Minchiate, and more than that, it hadn't an emperor.

A list of one of 3 versions (without emperor) ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=782&p=11175&hilit= ... 457#p11175

About this product I think, that it was made for the wedding (1661) of the later grand duke of Tuscany, Cosimo III ...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosimo_II ... %99_Medici
... and a French princess, Marguerite -Louise, daughter of duke Gaston d'Orleans. The marriage became very unlucky and the duke Cosimo became more or less the ruin of grand duchy Tuscany ... in long years from 1670-1723.

Image


About "Tarot in Tuscany" we've according the researches of Franco Pratesi, that none Tarot decks were produced in Tuscany after 1638 (or around the time; I don't find the link)

The last note of Tarocchi in Florence is noted in 1606 ...
http://trionfi.com/evx-germini-tarocchi-minchiate

So there were also in Italy ways to forget about Tarocchi during 17th century. In an Italian text from 18th century I found a "Minchiate and Tarocchi" with Minchiate as the first, not Tarocchi.
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Re: Louise Marie de NEVERS GONZAGUE

#216
[quote="BOUGEAREL Alain

Extraits de T. DEPAULIS http://www.academia.edu/15316947/_Quand ... p._313-326

Après avoir rêvé de devenir empereur de… Constantinople parce que sa grand-mère était une Paléologue, Charles de Gonzague-Nevers se rua àMantoue quand mourut sans héritier direct son cousin le duc Vincenzo II (1594-1627).Les quatre ans passés à tenter de conquérir son duché, que lui disputaient âprement le duc de Savoie et l’Empereur, virent la prise et le sac de Mantoue par les lansquenets en 1630. La cité ne devait jamais s’en remettre."


Interested by Charles de Gonzague "dream" of being the new Bazileus of Byzance adressed as "King Constantine Paleologus".
http://www.sgdl-auteurs.org/alain-bouge ... Biographie

Re: Louise Marie de NEVERS GONZAGUE

#217
[quote="BOUGEAREL Alain

Extraits de T. DEPAULIS http://www.academia.edu/15316947/_Quand ... p._313-326

"Après avoir rêvé de devenir empereur de… Constantinople parce que sa grand-mère était une Paléologue, Charles de Gonzague-Nevers se rua àMantoue quand mourut sans héritier direct son cousin le duc Vincenzo II (1594-1627).Les quatre ans passés à tenter de conquérir son duché, que lui disputaient âprement le duc de Savoie et l’Empereur, virent la prise et le sac de Mantoue par les lansquenets en 1630. La cité ne devait jamais s’en remettre."


Interested by Charles de Gonzague "dream" of being the 'new' Basileus of Byzanium!
http://www.sgdl-auteurs.org/alain-bouge ... Biographie

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

#218
"Gonzague, ce proche cousin d’Henri IV, une des plus grosses fortunes de France, était duc de Nevers. Il ajoutait à ses possessions nivernaises le duché de Rethel, dans les Ardennes, et bien d’autres seigneuries et principautés en France. Prince raffiné et prodigue, il connut la magnificence dans la première partie de sa vie. La pompe dont il s’entoura pour se rendre à Rome en tant qu’ambassadeur d’Henri IV est inouïe, extraordinaire, incroyable. Se glorifiant de ses illustres ancêtres, le dernier empereur de Byzance compte parmi ses aïeux, son père était un prince de Mantoue en Italie, il n’hésita pas à convaincre l’Europe entière de préparer une croisade afin de recouvrer les Lieux Saints"

http://www.rezo-bazar.com/article-la-vi ... 75419.html
http://www.sgdl-auteurs.org/alain-bouge ... Biographie

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

#219
"In 1612, Charles a descendant of the Byzantine Emperor Antonicus II Paléoologue through his grandmother Margaret who was of the line of Theodore I, Marquess of Monferrat, Andromicus's son,claimed the throne of Constantinople at the time the capital of the Ottoman Empire.
He began plotting with Greek rebels including the Maniots of Greece, who adressed him as "King Constantine Paleologus".
When the Ottoman authorities heard about this, they sent an army of 20 000 men and 70 ships to invade Mani. They succeded in ravaging Mani and imposing taxes on the Maniots.
Yjis caused Charles to move more actively for his Crusade. He sent envoys to the courts of Europe looking for supports.
In 1619, he recruited six ships and some five thousand men, but he was forced to abort the mission beacuse of the beginning of the Thirty Year's Wars"

http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s ... t&uid=1575

Data about the Maniots :
http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s ... &overlay=1
http://www.sgdl-auteurs.org/alain-bouge ... Biographie

Re: Le Tarot arithmologique - la séquence 1+4+7+10 = 22

#220
Huck wrote:The ballet of Marolles has the interesting detail, that Tarot cards fight with normal playing cards, French playing cards. The Tarot cards lose the fight.

Huck 5 years ago ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&p=10705&hilit=marolles#p10705
In the second "Dessein" (totally there are 4 of them) the cards of Tarot play a great role. From the trumps only World, Fool and Bateleur appear, which means only those trumps, which have points in the game. Further the Kings appear with their queens, then the chevaliers with their valets (which also have points in the game). The suit signs are those of the Italian Tarots.
But then appear also playing cards with French suits and there is a battle in small dimensions between the Valets of the both groups. Then it seems, that World, Fou and Bateleur give a sort of judgment, and then the next "Dessein" starts. Or they look only the show of the others.
I really don't know, what this battle shall mean. I get the suspicion, that this shall present a negative result against the Tarot cards and a win of the French suits.
Tarot history is judged by Depaulis and Dummett, that Tarot in France got a downfall in interest in the game of Tarot. Is this indicated also in this ballet, which seems to express the desire to have own national symbols on the cards and not from foreign countries? We had two Italian queens on French throne and this likely promoted the Italian in France. But what happened, when Louis XIII got his well known conflicts with his mother Maria de Medici? And later this earlier French-Italian phase finished with the Gonzagas leaving France?
It's not clear to me, if the ballet ever was presented on stage. It seems clear, that this ballet was made for the young King Louis XIV.
In the later period (Louis with full court) Louis promotes card-playing and uses cards weekly (I remember twice) as a fixed social engagement with many participants. It was never observed (at least by me) that Louis promoted Tarot cards in connection to these fixed installations. It's not clear to me, how long this habit was the general custom, the description, that I've read about it, spokes only in a global manner, as if this had been "always" so (which I would doubt).
It was part of the politic of Louis, who had the interest to keep the high nobility near the court (to avoid possible rebellions).

So ... what was this ballet good for? It seems to present an antipathy against (Italian) Tarot cards and a sympathy for (French) normal playing cards ... something, which seems to have been realized in the time, when Louis had decided to participate in the reignment of the state with the motto "L'Etat c'est moi" and the state was France.

Playing cards were a "national question" and these Tarot cards had an emperor and the emperor was German, which gave a reason to assume, that the deck type was originally German and that was something, what Louis XIV didn't desire (as suspected by a physician of Louis 1654, and in the French game book in 1659, if I remember correctly).

There was a downfall of French Tarot interests in a global manner, attested by Dummett and others, not directly precise in the dates and I didn't saw, that anybody mentioned the ballet show of 1657 in this context. But I think, that it should belong to the context.

Around the same time the engraver Poilly (close to engraving commissions for the French court) developed the Minchiate Francesi. This wasn't Tarot, but Minchiate, and more than that, it hadn't an emperor.

A list of one of 3 versions (without emperor) ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=782&p=11175&hilit= ... 457#p11175

About this product I think, that it was made for the wedding (1661) of the later grand duke of Tuscany, Cosimo III ...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosimo_II ... %99_Medici
... and a French princess, Marguerite -Louise, daughter of duke Gaston d'Orleans. The marriage became very unlucky and the duke Cosimo became more or less the ruin of grand duchy Tuscany ... in long years from 1670-1723.

Image


About "Tarot in Tuscany" we've according the researches of Franco Pratesi, that none Tarot decks were produced in Tuscany after 1638 (or around the time; I don't find the link)

The last note of Tarocchi in Florence is noted in 1606 ...
http://trionfi.com/evx-germini-tarocchi-minchiate

So there were also in Italy ways to forget about Tarocchi during 17th century. In an Italian text from 18th century I found a "Minchiate and Tarocchi" with Minchiate as the first, not Tarocchi.
Huck

The first historical real Ballet presented is mentionned by Marolles before his projecy of Ballet of his own

P 120

"Que si le Ballet n'est point du tout sérieux, il faut néanmoins que la manière et l'invention nouvelle le rendent agréable et honnête, y mêlant des choses extraordinaires qui tiennent du merveilleux, comme au Ballet des Fées des Forêts de S. Germain, dansé en l'année 1625, où Guillemine la Quinteuse, Robine la Hasardeuse en Jacqueine l' Entendue, Alison la Hargneuse et Macette la Capricieuse (c'est ainsi que se nommaient les cinq Fées de ce Ballet) signalèrent admirablement leur pouvoir ; la première, présidant la Musique ; la seconde, aux jeux de hasard; la troisième, aux divers excès de Folie ; la quatrième, aux Combats, et la dernière, à la Danse ; chacune, qui avait son Acte à part, composé de diverses entrées, envoyant devant elle son Génie qui faisait le Récit ;
l'un habillé de Violons, de Tuorbes(?) et de Luths, et coiffé d'un Pupitre ou Lutrin pour la Musique ; le second, vêtu de Cartes et de Tarots, de Dez, d'Echiquiers (...)


In Marolles's project of Ballet, there is an entry with a possible fight between the Valets of Card and the Faons of Tarots : Valetts of Cards win.

A s for the Kings and Queenss of Cards, they do not fight but are surprised by these " Gens inconnus" (Tarots)

But : The 3 Tarots rule finally Math Monde et Bagat.

Cf viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1102&start=200#p17428

I don't think this Ballet was ever presented.
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