Re: New Pratesi note on the Cary-Yale
Posted: 09 Feb 2016, 14:23
"6 from Petrarch + 7 virtues + 1 Emperor + 1 Empress = 15."mikeh wrote:I did not in my exposition explain with specifics how particular pairs corresponded to particular chess pieces. Emperor and Empress are obvious. Cards with horses correspond to chess Knights. The card with castles corresponds to a chess Rook, sometimes called a Tower or Castle, so therefore the other card with trumpets also corresponds to a rook. The cards with old men correspond to the bishops, because those are the only ones left, and bishops are senior church officials. This is mostly straight from Huck, except for the part about the bishops.
Also, the power of the chess pieces at that time corresponds roughly to the power of the corrersponding cards. The weakest pieces were the King and Queen; likewise the Empress and the Emperor were the lowest cards. The strongest pieces were the rooks, which correspond to the Fame and Angel cards. The others are in both cases in the middle. (I am simply repeating what you have often said.)
So do we agree or disagree? I'm not sure. I am still puzzled about what you have as the 16th card. 6 from Petrarch + 7 virtues + 1 Emperor + 1 Empress = 15. It seems to me that Wheel of Fortune is the only possibility. In your picture, you have Time twice, both with a question mark. There is still another card to account for.
Another question: how modern are the words for the chess piece that don't mean "bishop", i.e. alfiere, läufer?
6 from Petrarch:
1. Amor = 8 pawns
2. Chastity = 1 queen
3. Death = 2 knights
4. Fame = 2 towers
5. Time = 2 bishops .... (that's why I've Time twice)
6. Eternity = 1 Emperor
6 Petrarch figures = 16 chess figures
"6 from Petrarch + 7 virtues + 1 Emperor + 1 Empress = 15" ... this attempts to add apple + oranges.
11 cards of these 16 are given, 3 missing virtues we might fill in. That's 14 known cards. Two cards (Death + Chariot) have horses (knights). Two cards (Fame + Judgment) have towers (rooks). Empress + Emperor are likely King + Queen. 7 Virtues + Love are the pawns. 2 cards are missing, 2 bishop positions are free. It might be pope or popess, but then Father Time (which is necessary for the idea, that Filippo Maria followed the six allegories of Petrarca) would be missing. If we take Father Time as the "good advisor" ("Man" in Courier) and the 15th card, then we have as possible "negative advisor" the cards ...
1. Fool ... cause of the French "Fou" = Fool for the bishop, or the Courier "Schleich" figure (presented as Fool).
2. The Hanging Man" as the treacherous traitor ... The word "Schleich" associates a spy.
3. Fortune, cause Fortune and Father Time appeared occasionally as a pair (Albert 1424) and cause Fortune appeared in the Brera-Brambilla Tarocchi.
4. ... a possibly completely unknown figure (still a possibility)
figures of the Ströbeck Courier chess set, reported by Silenus.
There is no way to decide this question, I guess. So one better stays with the position, that one cannot decide, which figure it once should have been.
Renner, Courier and Läufer, that's somehow all the same thing. Courier chess is clearly old (oldest reference in the Wigalois, begin 13th century. A Ströbeck legend dates it already to begin 11th century.Another question: how modern are the words for the chess piece that don't mean "bishop", i.e. alfiere, läufer?
Alfiere meaning elephant is very old and an imported expression from Eastern sources. The elephant still has the bishop position in Eastern chess variants.
In Western chess the elephant moved from bishop position to the rook position (it's still a question, when).
Courier chess has Man+Schleich, the Curierer or Courier and a Bow shooter (Schütze), somehow all at the bishop position:
In extant old chess sets occasionally bow shooters are recognizable as chess figures.
"Bishop" seems to be more an English expression. Fou (similar to Schleich) is French. The bishop position has the most changes.
Cessolis brought up the "advisor" for the bishop position, mostly shown in a sitting position ...The cards with old men correspond to the bishops, because those are the only ones left, and bishops are senior church officials.
.. sometimes with a table ...
... and then we're somehow near to the PMB-Magician.
At AT ...
... you wrote:
... :-) ... you could have learned it also from the observation at ...However I have learned from both Franco and Huck. From Franco I learn that the suit cards' subjects parallel those of chess, including the individual court cards. From Huck I learn that the triumphs parallel the pieces in the way they are designed. The result is that for me chess permeates all 80 cards of the CY pack.
In the upper part of the picture you see 16 suit cards and sorted according the chess board. If one should give the Aces and Tens to the rooks (as it was done in this article) or for instance to the bishop pair doesn't change the world, a 1-to-1-identification is recognizable and plausible (even when in details some things stay insecure).
Also the expectations about the Love card (then in 2003 set in front of Emperor) have changed meanwhile, now it's clear, that this belongs to the Queen.