Well, I take back what I said yesterday, in one respect. I think I can safely criticize one thing you said, without knowing the ins and outs of your theory, namely, what you said at the end of your last post: Petrarch has nothing to do with what is portrayed in the CY card and the context, IMO, is s...

Well, yes, mutual misunderstanding, Phaeded. So for the moment I will hold off criticizing and merely ask questions in an effort to understand you. Could you say again what the 7 antitypes or examplars are and which virtue each corresponds to, in your Anghiari deck, which I assume has 14 special car...

You misunderstood my question, Phaeded. I was asking about your rationale for the celestials, not your rationale for dropping the theologicals. Your theory, as you present it in this thread, is that the virtue cards were first, and they generated seven more. I meant to be asking what the place of th...

Phaeded: Yes, I am saying that the scenario that you say Ross proposed, that "for some reason" Galeazzo might have wanted a re-creation of an earlier deck for his wedding, is a possibility. That is what I was thinking of when I said that the CY could have been done as a conscious re-creati...

Since yesterday, I revised my previous post just a little. An illumination important for showing the alternative portrayal of the Triumph of the Death, with the three Fates, was described (by Trapp) but not shown. Interlibrary Loan sent me a book with the requisite picture, so I inserted it into the...

I found more information pertaining to the 1414 Bologna illuminated manuscript with the illuminations of the Triumphs of Death and Fame (both tentative), which Huck posted (http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=868&p=12930&hilit=1414#p12930) http://194.95.59.225/fileadmin/im...

Phaeded wrote Lorredan/Mikeh, I don't think anyone disagrees with the close resemblance between the Lancelot of the Lake illustrations of c. 1445 (attributed to B.Bembo) and the CY deck, so could either one of you explain how the CY deck could celebrate events decades before or after c. 1445? Well, ...

The problem with your replacements is why anyone would do such a thing, replacing the obvious with the obscure. Just to be different? That seems to be the rationale for much art today, but I don't see it then. I don't remember your rationale for the celestials, but again, why? There is the same prob...

Phaeded wrote, I continue to see a seven virtues template with 7 exemplars to which another 7 get added in the PMB. As I said, I don't disagree. I argued the same thing at the beginning of the "Petrarch and Giotto" thread, http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=848#p12119. ...

I think I see your point about the card commemorating Blanche/Bianca of Savoy. The Filippo/Marie of Savoy marriage doesn't do anything to enhance the value of Bianca Maria, but the earlier marriage of her namesake does. I imagine several early copies of the CY being made: the first, perhaps minus so...