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Re: The Star

Robert wrote: All we can say is that it is missing on the Noblet, but present on most other versions of the Tarot de Marseille. Why? Maybe he hated birds? (and faces on shoulders!). Or perhaps the engraver was less accomplished than others and found such small details too difficult to execute. Some ...

Re: The Star

This is proving to be a fascinating discussion. May I just note though, that I never 'instruct' anyone? I do see the Cary Sheet Star as a young man, but not everyone does, and I'm perfectly willing to admit that I could be wrong. Catholic wrote: The Cary Sheet, the nearest surviving relative, shows,...

Re: Olimpia Maidalchini

And simply for interest's sake, we have a hanged man. Page 506. Though Innocent was wracked with grief over the betrayal of Francesco Mascambruno, a man he had implicitly trusted, he hired two of Rome's best lawyers to defend him. After a trial lasting two months, with some eleven thousand pages of ...

Re: Olimpia Maidalchini

Marco, I wish I could read it in the original Italian, but luckily that's in the book too. And card playing is mentioned: Page 294. To win over Olimpia - whom Mazarin reckoned would always have influence over Innocent - Gremonville was instructed to lose money at her card parties. The ambassador of ...

Re: Olimpia Maidalchini

Christina of Sweden was another extraordinary woman. She converted to Catholicism and arrived in Rome in 1655 - all of Rome took a holiday. Giacinto Gigli noted: "Many say that the queen is certainly a hermaphrodite," he noted, "but professes to be a woman." Gigli, vol.2, p.251. ...

Re: The Star

I hope it's OK to put this here, as it seems 'grounding'. Luke: 21.25 - 28, King James Bible 25. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26. Men's hearts failing them for fear, and...

Re: The Star

My particular interest is not discover the hidden mystic origins of the Tarot, but make heads and tails of what Jean Noblet, Jean Dodal and Nicolas Conver had in their minds. Kaplan's Encyclopedia of Tarot, Vol.11 mentions two documents of 1659 citing ...Jean Noblet, maitre-cartier (master cardmake...

Re: The Star

Catholic, just a quick note (I'm out today) to say that I didn't think you were being rude at all, and I'm also uneasy with Micheal Hurst's statement that "Tarot de Marseille’s other stuff, a woman pouring two vessels into a stream, with a bird and bushes in the background, is just obscure.&quo...

Re: The Star

Catholic wrote: It can't be our Lady naked, pouring water. It is just not something you do on a Christian society like Europe on XVII century. No of course not. It was Venus/the Morning Star with the cockerel announcing the dawn that seemed a stunning connection to the Tarot de Marseille when I firs...

Re: Olimpia Maidalchini

Well, the Tarot de Paris is almost certainly too early to have anything to do with Olimpia, but I found the paragraph about the medal/s mentioned above. Page 468, Mistress of the Vatican by Eleanor Herman. It is possible that Cardinal Astalli-Pamphili helped nudge the pope to break completely with O...

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