Discussion ; Old French Tarot Rules 1637 Translation please ...Mikeh? Ross? 1 Le Math est nécessairement (au sens qu'il ne peut en être autrement = nécessaire) inclus dans la liste des 22 triomphes 2. Il est systématiquement associé aux 2 autres "BOUTS" (cf. Nota): entre MONDE et BAGAT 3. ...

Link to the translation in English of the first two paraprahes of the Ancient Rules of 1637 by J Mc Leod and myself. https://fr.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Perrache/info Translation on : http://trionfi.com/0/p/1637.html Paragraphe A : This pack, which consists of seventy-eight cards, can be divided ...

Mikeh wrote : "A Pythagorean interpretation is an overlay that gives a meaning related to the ordinal or cardinal numbers associated with the cards. Whether the designer, or one of the designers, had such a meaning in mind is another question. It is not excluded, but also not argued. At least t...

The arithmological sequence 1+4+7+10 = 22 in relation with the 3 blocs is under discussion and research. At this point of the critical analysis "still at work" mainly conducted by Mikeh, it appears that : Type A does not fit the division 1 + 4 + 7 + 10 = the Pentagonal number 22. Type B d...

Thanks for this clarificaton; Yes, the Math is 22nd but with the BAgat (and not the World!) as 21st . Marchesa Isabella Zambeccari Pepoli.. It could well make sense (especiaally interesting that it seems to derive from a Type A) ... Let's see : The arithmological sequence of the Pentagonal Number 22...

I have found one that I referred to in the "order of trumps" thread, that has the Fool above the World. It is clearly of Type B. There is one with Matto numbered 22, but that is because the cards are numbered in sequence from 1 Angel to 22 matto, Bolognese Type A: 1. Angelo - Contessa Ipp...

The arithmological sequence 1+4+7+10 = 22 in relation with the 3 blocs is under discussion and research. At this point of the critical analysis "still at work" mainly conducted by Mikeh, it appears that : Type A does not fit the division 1 + 4 + 7 + 10 = the Pentagonal number 22. Type B do...

Hi Huck Nice de see you again also! Yes, your post is of interest for me. With your permission, I'll insert it in an additionnal note with correct autorship. Thanks No problem from my side. But I wrote it just as a short note to inform you, what happened in some past in the "22"-discussio...

Hi Huck

Nice de see you again also!

Yes, your post is of interest for me.

With your permission, I'll insert it in an additionnal note with correct autorship.

Thanks

{Deleted] Steve wrote : "Well, if nothing else, this thread has led to a new historical discovery, that of the earliest and most complete Venetian order of the tarots (which, in order from highest to lowest, puts the Matto last, below the bagatelle). No one seems to be interested in this new di...