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Re: Giovanni dal Ponte (1385-c.1437) & the Rothschild cards

What is "too early" to be a tarocchi? ...There are considerations that suggests the 1428 marriage for the CY-type, if there was one (the banner on the tent, which could be Savoy, as the alternation of banners suggests among other things the union of two houses....Surely 1430 is not too early in Flo...

Re: Hare, Eitelberger, Leber Tarocchi, Cicognara, Turin deck

http://a-tarot.eu/p/2016/se-257.jpg http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1105&start=30#p18416 I'm not sure what you are looking for here Huck, and a dog chasing a hare is a common enough motif, but you might also consider Orion's Dog (Sirius / Canis Major) chasing Lepus, the hare cons...

Re: Giovanni dal Ponte (1385-c.1437) & the Rothschild cards

IMO it is more probably a tarocchi deck than an imperati, and if so the 1420s (suggested date for Ponte as artist) is far to early: St George and Spanish/Moor shields suggest to me a Ferrarese/Aragon connection, thus post-1444 Thanks for the clarification Steve. And I follow the Ferrarese/Aragon ar...

Re: Giovanni dal Ponte (1385-c.1437) & the Rothschild cards

I think it more likely that it was a tarocchi along the lines of the CVI given the similarity of the Emperors, and think the dates are too early for tarocchi -- it could be imperatii type deck, but I think that a possibility driven more by wishful thinking than probability -- (to which add - Antoni...

Re: Giovanni dal Ponte (1385-c.1437) & the Rothschild cards

Perhaps the most confusing St. George is the one on an Apollonio cassone showing the Persian king Darius setting out for the battle of Issus, a surprisingly common motif. The standard elements are on four separate parade carts: Darius' mother and wife, following behind Darius himself, who usually ha...

Re: Giovanni dal Ponte (1385-c.1437) & the Rothschild card

Mike/Huck/Steve, I would be interested in a concise summary of any of your thoughts of the material of this now longish thread. Why X date for which decks? Mike, And not to go backwards, but: On another topic, what the Encyclopedia says on p. 204 is also of interest, as to the social context for cas...

Re: Giovanni dal Ponte (1385-c.1437) & the Rothschild cards

http://trionfi.com/parisina-playing-cards based on the report of Gherardo Ortalli in Ludica 1996 Card history knows Parisina from 3 documents, which means, that most of the early card documents of Ferrara are related to Parisina. 1422: In the oldest Ferrarese card document Parisina is not mentioned...

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