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Re: The ordering of the trumps

...the Papi representing the highest human positions/ranks, then Kings, Queens, Knights, Valets, and the professions (the pip cards - already a known allegory, at least in Germany so why not Italy?). Ross, are you saying there is a German tradition that equates the pips with different professions, ...

Re: Matching the Triumphs

Triumphs are a genre of the period, within which Petrarch is an influential exemplar, but not an orignator (nor the only exemplar); even in the genre of the triumph of love he is not unique, but follows within the classical model of Ovid. So while the tarocchi and Petrarch are within the genre of t...

Re: The ordering of the trumps

... and I'm not trying to hammer the point... but I also tend to agree that the end of the sequence is the clearest, the cards before the Devil are harder to "naturally" order, IMHO. Oh. I missed your reply before I posted that last one. I think your right though, if we're talking exact matches. He...

Re: The ordering of the trumps

I think the end of the sequence, as you've shown above, is probably the most obvious of the group. The positions of the Papi and the virtues are the places where there would have been some difficulty in matching the known orders, just as they are the main places the three orders differ. The basic m...

Re: The ordering of the trumps

Yes, but I did say "...it would be hard NOT to order the trumps similarly to at least one of the known orderings " , not the just the Tarot de Marseille ordering. The other options of course would be to 1) insert Justice before Judgement, or 2) switch the World and Judgement. All of these are sugges...

Re: The ordering of the trumps

Well, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. But I reckon series similar to the trump sequence were common in the trionfi processions, and people would have known them, and have been attuned to the same 'wave-length' as the game designer. I'm always looking for a chance to post the ol' Val...

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