Virgil's emphasis on Juno as daughter of Saturn explains why Marziano mentions it. Note, I spell it "Virgil" only because Marziano does. I realize that both modern scholarship and the most ancient examples spell it Vergil . By keeping Marziano's spelling in mind I also keep in mind that I am talking...

Finally, I've long suspected the Sforza variation of the biscione - a human-headed curled-up dragon holding a ring is related to Saturn but without any evidence. But note Saturn is described by all the medieval mythographers as holding a snake biting its own tail, so "circular" (depicted in the han...

Livius has a single sentence, which is related in the matter: "Six couches were publicly exhibited; one for Jupiter and Juno, another for Neptune and Minerva, a third for Mars and Venus, a fourth for Apollo and Diana, a fifth for Vulcan and Vesta, and the sixth for Mercury and Ceres." Don't forget ...

....No, the real message, if we want to find one, is the danger of Filippo Maria's sudden wealth and power. It was not some Virgilian danger from Beatrice-as-Dido in a personal sense. If the deck was made for Filippo and specifically not Beatrice in 1412, the deck could have been an inside joke of ...

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06 Apr 2020, 21:20

I could go on, but I think you have a better sense of what I was getting at.

Yes, thank you very much for assembling these representative examples. I can take it from here.

Ross

The palm and laurel as self-mastery and then seeing beyond self could be seen as poetic versions of the Senecan lessons from Barzizza in 1412. Both men, Marziano and Barzizza, rushed to form the young man in his most dangerous moment, when everything could be lost, or gained. It is not for nothing ...

Why I sent you that section of Bernardo.... The palm and laurel as self-mastery and then seeing beyond self could be seen as poetic versions of the Senecan lessons from Barzizza in 1412. Both men, Marziano and Barzizza, rushed to form the young man in his most dangerous moment, when everything coul...

Don't forget to give me a few references to humanists using turbo in the metaphorical sense! You have completely changed - enriched, deepened, opened up - my view of the meaning of the four latter choices; and, thereby, the whole moral message. I am happy, in fact it is the pedant's vice, to credit ...

My primary argument for Beatrice, the unsuitable widow , is that she parallels Dido in that regard - a dalliance for Aeneas (the grandfather of Anglus "Visconti"), that was but a distraction from his true destiny, which is what Beatrice would be for Filippo (whether or not he had moved on to someon...

But note Saturn is described by all the medieval mythographers as holding a snake biting its own tail, so "circular" (depicted in the hands of Saturn in the frescoes in Angera) and that in the De sphera 'frontispage 'below the dragon's neck and arms form a circle, mimicking the ring it holds (also ...