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The "5 x 14 Theory"

* So what about de 14 cards theory ? I mean as is suggested and historically supported at Trionfi. (Bembo Ferrarese documents of 1441 ) I'm sure you mean the Ferrara document of 1457, that mentions "carte grande da trionfi que sono carte 70 per zogo", which means "big triumph cards which have 70 ca...

Re: Carolus Zoya

Je n'ai que le livret de Thierry Depaulis, "Cartes et cartiers dans les anciens états de Savoie (1400-1860)" pour les cartiers piémontais. Il ne mentionne que un "AG Zoja", actif 1748-1749 à Montanaro, au nord de Turin. Voici les courtes notices - Pages 28-29 - [concernant l'histoire de la "Fabrica ...

Re: Camoin's 1608 dating?

Thanks to Ross and Yves... What a great post by Mr. O'Neill! So what of what he said still stands? What can be added? Anything disproved? Well let's see... "The ancestral IT-1 pattern (Cary sheet) died out in Italy." That's not a bad way of looking at it. But you know there isn't much that can be s...

Re: Crackpot theories

I found the Camoin-O'Neill discussion, which took place in 2000 on TarotL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TarotL/msearch?query=1608&pos=0&cnt=10 Philippe in fact argues simply that card-making has been known in Marseille since 1608 (citing D'Allemagne, II, 306), when cartiers in Lyon petitioned to hav...

Re: Re:crackpot theories

I informs you that Philippe "Camoin" will soon publish his thesis about Tarot origins. See his web site for more details. Yves Here is an interesting leap of logic. Camoin talks about the Chosson: “Here we have the oldest Tarot de Marseille deck known to have been made in Marseilles. The Tarot of F...

Re: Crackpot theories

I don’t know -and nothing in the blurb suggests it- if this books belongs to this category, but I wonder if anybody has read it: http://www.ibtauris.com/display.asp?K=9781848850538&sf_01=CAUTHOR&st_02=tarot&sf_02=CTITLE&sf_03=KEYWORD&sf_04=identifier&m=1&dc=1 Best, EE Thanks Enrique - I think I'll ...

Crackpot theories

I'd like to start a thread for compiling a list of titles and links to our favorite crackpot theories of Tarot. I don't know the age or origin of the metaphor of a "cracked pot", but I like it - it resembles a pot, but when you put water into it, it spills out through the cracks. In other words, it ...

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