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Re: Bolognese sequence

hi Mike, as I wrote (or indicated) in the 4 Moors article http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=422 http://frayerchess.squarespace.com/storage/Met%20Art%202.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1230417877906 ... the chess bishop caused Pope and Popess as a model, cause, if you change Chess-Ki...

Re: Bolognese sequence

hi Stephen, thanks for this ... "In his youth he had been a close student of Petrarch, but at Milan he came under the influence of Il Cariteo, a native of Barcelona, who lived at Naples as secretary to Ferdinand II of Aragon. It was from Il Cariteo that he learnt to write strambotti, for which he wa...

Re: Bolognese sequence

Although already (re-)published in 1896, http://www.archive.org/details/collezionediope32linggoog (page XLIII) I found this ... Serafino dell'Aquila alias Serafino Cimini di Bazzano alias Serafino dei Ciminelli (1466-1500), Italian poet and improvisatore, was born in 1466 at the town of Aquila, fro...

Re: Bolognese sequence

Well ... ... what is about this "Strombetto poem"? This is new, I never heard of it ... ...and, considering the suggested existence of early Trionfi deck production in Bologna, why do we have in 1459 in the earliest real Bolognese Trionfi document a German producer? Shouldn't it be an Italian, if we...

Re: Bolognese sequence

Yes, a good summary of the complications, Huck. I was just trying my hand with Occam's razor, a device that sometimes has its merits. There are to be sure signs pointing to earlier development of tarot-like decks in other cities, as you say. But wasn't it Leonello, or someone connected with him, wh...

Re: Bolognese sequence

Mike, for Marchione Burdochi and the document of July 1442: There are two interpretations. Ross arguments in his interpretation, that Burdochi brought and sold cheap Bolognese Trionfi cards. This would assume an early Bolognese Trionfi card production. I think (not that I could exclude Ross' version...

Re: 4 Moors

Good, the 4 moors once had been a replacement of the 4 papi ... Perhaps it's valuable to think about the 4 papi first. http://frayerchess.squarespace.com/storage/Met%20Art%202.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1230417877906 That's an ivory chess figure of a bishop, long before the start of the Tarocchi...

Re: Bolognese sequence

Well, I think, you're too hard in the judgment. In the general research development Italian Tarot research did a lot in the past and English language development learned from it (inclusive Trionfi.com - for instance we profited strong from the work of Franco Pratesi), no doubt, especially when perso...

Re: Bolognese sequence

hi Mike, ... :-) ... as you correctly note, some of the ideas of Andrea Vitali go back to Trionfi.com You have to calculate, that the communication between Andrea and Trionfi.com is not 100% error-free, also the translation from Andrea's Italian writing back to English has its difficulties. Andrea i...

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