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Re: The Devil runs for office

The Devil standing on an anvil is connected somehow perhaps to him being the forger of chains ? Not the Devil, but a forger standing by an anvil and pulling a man by chains from an alchemical text: https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_g...

Re: The Devil runs for office

The chains are unique among tarot cards, but the image above of the naughty boy standing on a book and peeing on the table, shows how chains are used to bind sinners. See here for another example of a man with chain linked to a collar, being taken to hell's mouth by a demon: The parable of the rich...

Re: Trump number IIX - another card in the Tarochi Goes West series

I wasn't sure; B.R could certainly stand for Bibliothèque royale. But weren't these cards only given to the library much later? Did they even put playing cards into libraries in ancient regime France? After there was no king, the national library stamp couldn't have been B.R. with a crown. Several ...

Re: Tarocchi goes west

I have just seen about 30 cancers, and a smaller number of scorpios, in books of hours. The scorpios look just like the lobster on the card, if you take off the hooked tail. Scorpios are usually shown with the body vertical and the head on top, and thus the resemblance to the card is immediate and ...

Re: Trump number IIX - another card in the Tarochi Goes West series

For confirmation, the tax stamp is at the bottom of that Viéville's card, at the man's head, like the tax stamps on every other card printed in France... ... I will be surprised if Hautot read Viéville's card upside down, because a French cartier could not have failed to understand the significance...

Re: Tarocchi goes west

While the similarity of Noblet's SUN with Gemini is pretty clear, is there an association of his MOON with Cancer, other than the resemblance of the lobster to a crab? Old depictions of cancer often look more akin to a lobster than a crab. Yes, the depiction is very much akin to cancer, and the ass...

Re: Tarocchi goes west

Here is an authoritative statement showing the antiquity of attributing Ganymede to Aquarius: Thanks Ross - I was pretty sure it went back to antiquity, but was struggling to find a classical reference and not having much time was satisfied to show that t least it was known from the medieval period...

Re: Tarocchi goes west

However, I'm beginning to think it was cutting down a straw man, to refute the notion of Ganymede, for as far as I can tell the association of Ganymede with Aquarius is an invention of modern astrologers. Well, not that modern, and certainly well known enough in the epoch of the Tarot: the myth of ...

Re: Tarocchi goes west

About the Fool and the Bagato in the Notturno Napoletano poem, if the Fool was played according the rules as I understand them, the dialog would have to go something like this: They are not playing according to the normal rules - they are discussing which cards trump which as they go along - either...

Re: Tarocchi goes west

I must be the least qualified person to make head or tail of Italian that is not only XVI century, but Napoletano. I did not learn much. There is no mention of the Bagato, but "Il matto" is treated as if it were a trump, rather than the excuse card. So I think the poem does not mention the excuse c...

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