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Re: Pratesi 2016 on John of Rheinfelden

Hi, Mike, Here is my translation of Franco Pratesi's new note on John of Rheinfelden, in Italian at http://www.naibi.net/A/508-JORHEIN-Z.pdf. While adding nothing new, it highlights points of special value and seems to me an excellent summary of the literature and statement of the present state of t...
by mjhurst
on 30 May 2016, 14:36
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: Pratesi 2016 on John of Rheinfelden
Replies: 2
Views: 1787

The Cary-Yale World card

...the CY “World” appropriated an attribute of Gloria Mundi/Fama for another purpose (however closely related) – what was it? This conflation of related conventional motifs into an unconventional image is common. In context, the Cary-Yale World card is not mysterious. So what is the immediate conte...
by mjhurst
on 29 May 2016, 17:22
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: Pratesi on birthtrays, cassoni, Petr. mss. & parades (now 2)
Replies: 55
Views: 24238

Re: Pratesi on birth trays

Hi, Huck, The question is what relation does Lorenzo's Fame birthtray have to the lost ur-tarot deck's highest trump. There are definite affinities with the CY "World/Fame" card... It's just a painting influenced by Petrarca's "Trionfi" and some Tarot card motifs are formed by th...
by mjhurst
on 28 May 2016, 15:21
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: Pratesi on birthtrays, cassoni, Petr. mss. & parades (now 2)
Replies: 55
Views: 24238

Re: Depaulis's "Tarot in France before 1500"

Hi, Mike, I am wondering about another detail, namely, the little circles on the Tower card (then called "Fire" or "Arrow," referring to lightning-bolts). Of course hail fell in Italy as well as France, and circles are a natural way of portraying it, but there is the question of ...
by mjhurst
on 15 May 2016, 05:42
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: Depaulis's "Tarot in France before 1500"
Replies: 15
Views: 6334

We've lost the narrative thread of this thread

Hi, Lothar, Several of the prominent posters to the list routinely take findings out of context, and assign those findings extravagant importance. ...hm. Perhaps as you do yourself with Guiniforte in the post before? I don't think that I took anything out of context. Rather, there is a whole world o...
by mjhurst
on 21 Feb 2016, 01:14
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale
Replies: 68
Views: 16823

Re: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale

Hi, Huck, Michael, The extremely fragmentary nature of our documentation is often ignored on this list. Some people can't even grasp the idea that surviving decks have lost cards. One of your typical polemical statements, with which you seem to attempt to improve your helpless argumentative position...
by mjhurst
on 20 Feb 2016, 20:57
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale
Replies: 68
Views: 16823

Re: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale

Hi, Ross, For my dating window, I'm just applying my principle mechanically, not implying a theory as to who and why . If I kept to the "3 to 5 years", it would be 1437-1441 inclusive, now shortened to 1437-1440 (first half). So I'm not hedging my bet, I'm just applying the same principle....
by mjhurst
on 20 Feb 2016, 16:38
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale
Replies: 68
Views: 16823

Re: New Pratesi note on the Cary-Yale

Hi, Ross, Now if I could just find where I made the bet in 2007 that any new documentation of Trionfi before 1442 would be within three to five years of 1442, and had it confirmed in 2010. Sorry. A quick search only gets me to your 2009 posts of "The Chart" of earliest evidence. You talk a...
by mjhurst
on 17 Feb 2016, 23:42
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale
Replies: 68
Views: 16823

Re: New Pratesi note on the Cary-Yale

By the way, the actual design I would suggest for Cary-Yale, based on Dummett (1980), is 4x16+26, for a 90-card deck. Well, that's a new idea from your side. As I noted, it's 36 years old now. Given that Dummett's view regarding the Cary-Yale deck (Visconti di Modrone pack) was unknown to both Fran...
by mjhurst
on 17 Feb 2016, 22:37
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale
Replies: 68
Views: 16823

Re: New Pratesi note on the Cary-Yale

Hi, Huck, My used structure arguments you can read at John von Rheinfelden's text, as already said. That's fact, not theory. Yes, they are facts about regular playing cards , not Tarot. Tarot decks had a different structure, which is very similar in archetypal decks, Cary-Yale, Minchiate, Boiardo, a...
by mjhurst
on 17 Feb 2016, 15:36
 
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: New Pratesi note (now two) on the Cary-Yale
Replies: 68
Views: 16823
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