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Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Addendum: ok, now I found that you know this already On http://autorbis.net/count-leopoldo-cicognara you find Michael Dummett in his "Game of Tarot" (Appendix) commented the Cicognara case: In Count Leopoldo Cicognara, Memorie spettanti alia Storia della Caliografia, Prato, 1831, p. 16, there is quo...

Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Dear all, for my post on card playing at the Council of Constance [quote=vh0610 post_id=23671 time=1618346109 user_id=3706 Hence both version are very close and one can deduce that the text is correct and present in the original version. Thus it gives us strong evidence of card games at the Council ...

Re: Collection ... Karnöffel

Dear Huck and others, even if my hypothesis I have no doubt that "Karneval" as a name reached Cologne, quite north of Constance and far away from Nördlingen, in the 18th century. My argument was different, taking up your own reflection that the game could have been invented at the occasion of the Co...

Re: Collection ... Karnöffel

Dear Huck, thanks for your answer. Perhaps I should clarify first in light of My own suggestion to explain the etymology of Karnöffel was .... http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1111&p=17330&hilit=kanjifah#p17330 ... an Arabian "Kanjifah" (= Kartenspiel). But I don't insist on it. th...

Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Thanks Huck and Ross Caldwell for the answers. I rechecked the title of the book we refer to in the last posts https://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw-cgi/zeige?index=buecher&term=noerdlingenstr&seite=o02titr the title is "Nördlinger Stadtrechte des Mittelalters", in English "Medieval city laws of...

Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Addendum III: The register on page 658 / 659 under the rubrum "Spiel" points to more entries: on page 129, from 1476: playing cards is generally forbidden, with the exception that there is an official supervisor. No card game name given. on page 224, from 1450, see footnote b on p. 223, playing for ...

Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Addendum II: On page 638, the register tells us that "karneffeln" only appears on page 86, the well-known reference. Hence, if the book contains all Nördlinger Stadtrechte, there is no further --and thus: earlier-- reference to Karnöffel than the one on page 86 from, apparently, 1510. Now question i...

Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Addendum: It seems that the author of the book Especially important is the last part published in 1933. https://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw-cgi/zeige?index=buecher&term=noerdlingenstr.&seite=o02titr&blaettere= There it might be of interest to understand the complete book, not only page 86. saw...

Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Dear Huck, thanks for the message - then we wait for Jonas Richter and his expertise. I did take a look into the book https://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw-cgi/zeige?index=buecher&term=noerdlingenstr.&seite=o02titr&blaettere= as you proposed [...] Especially important is the last part published ...

Re: Hello! - and kind question for help w.r.t. the etymology of tarot

Dear Huck and dear mikeh, sorry for responding so late, I first wanted to finish first the post(s) on the etymology of Karnöffel = carneval as an event-situation in the game --and not as a depiction of a person as an Unter-- ( http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1033&p=23630#p23630 )....

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