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Re: The Chariot

Thanks for that, Phaeded. I must have missed that thread. I figured someone else must have already noticed this French triumph image before! The Sforza-Riario medal is interesting too. It's not a lot to go on, and I'm not prepared to use such a small amount of evidence as the basis for extrapolating...

Re: The Chariot

I just came across this illustration of Petrarch's Triumph of Fame, showing a figure holding a baton, seated on a chariot drawn by a winged horse. The image is apparently from a French manuscript from the 16th century, which is neither the right country nor the right era to provide strong iconograph...

Re: The Chariot

A couple of slight corrections to my last post: I said that the orb was the only thing the Rosenwald charioteer was holding: I have no idea why I overlooked the sword in the figure's other hand when I wrote that, as I certainly noticed it many times before (and even mentioned it in one of my earlier...

Re: The Chariot

Mike, when I read your posts, I sometimes get the sinking feeling that you and I are speaking totally different languages, rendering effective communication impossible... The big problem, as I see it, is that you willfully ignore the whole basic mechanism by which the designs of playing cards evolve...

Re: The Chariot

mikeh wrote: Two problems: first, to explain "mundus parvus" you need to find a little world on the Chariot cards, not an angel or putto or Mercury. "Mundus" is the operative word. It's there on some Chariot cards: the globe in the guy's hand, divided into three parts, for Asia, Africa, and Europe ....

Re: The Chariot

Finally replying to what Mike wrote almost two weeks ago—it took a while because I ended up covering a lot more ground than I expected... I have not proved anything. All I am concerned with is plausibility. Fame is plausibly the World card, in all the various designs except perhaps the PMB, and the ...

Re: The Chariot

Sorry Huck! I will try to be more polite in the future. It might sometimes be difficult, because I disagree with nearly all of your ideas, but I do have an enormous amount of respect for the work you have done in collecting information and sources on the history of tarot. And my offer of sending you...

Re: The Chariot

The Chariot in the PMB doesn't mean FAME. Fame was presented by the card, which was taken as Justice, as already demonstrated. The Chariot in the Cary-Yale doesn't mean FAME. Fame was presented by the card, which was interpreted as Mondo-World. Oh Huck... All you've done in that post is just repeat...

Re: CY Swords fruit is neither quince nor pomegranate. It's medlar

I find it quite hard to believe that it could have been a gift for Marie, myself. All of the imprese are Visconti, except on that one card. Given that her marriage with Filippo Maria wasn't exactly a joyous one, it's a little hard to imagine someone giving her a gift of a pack of cards in which the ...

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