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Re: The Papi and the Duplicate Cards of the Trump Suit

To expand on Ross's last remark: Prof. Arne Jönsson wrote about one of the games presented by John of Rheinfelden ( “Card-playing as a Mirror of Society. On Johannes of Rheinfelden's Ludus cartularum moralisatus,” In O. Ferm & V. Honemann (Eds.), Chess and Allegory in the Middle Ages , Sällskapet Ru...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

Phaded. Thanks for the thoughtful reply. And pardon my lateness; this time I really was on vacation. You put quotation marks around "celestials" as though it was a term used by Marziano, I cannot find a passage where Marziano speaks of "celestials". You say that Marcello's calling Marziano's game a ...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

Phaeded wrote: Neither 16 chess pieces to a side nor 16 gonfaloni have anything to do with the subjects of Marziano’s trumps. As for the Guidici cardinal virtues, they simply surround Florence as “New Jerusalem” as a rightful and just polity (there is no inherent meaning via “proximity” of a virtue ...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

As a result of reading Monica Donato's 2015, essay on the frescoes photographed by Phaeded, I have expanded post 12. section 6, the paragraph beginning "I would have thought that..." by a photo followed by three more paragraphs. For more of Donato's essay, see my post at http://forum.tarothistory.co...

Re: Cardinal virtues series in two Florentine guild halls

Maria Monica Donato was the principal art historian involved in the restoration of the frescoes. Unfortunately she suffered an untimely death in 2014. An almost final draft was edited by Giulia Ammannati, Monia Manescalchi and Matteo Ferrari. and published as "Gli affreschi del Palazzo dell'Arte de'...

Re: Cardinal virtues series in two Florentine guild halls

Holiday? I've been writing my a-- off, in another thread, one of the longer ones with an uninterrupted stream by one author. And I only posted two of the drafts. I did a third as a blog. The tables in particular drove me crazy. At least nobody interrupted me. I would have been lost forever and never...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

Since posts 9-13 were written I have added a clarifying phrase or sentence here and there. I also found one labeling error on my part, in post 13, the table originally labeled "C2-22, expanded from C2" should read "C3-22, expanded from C3." I apologize for the confusion. Also, in post 12. section 6,...

Re: Cardinal virtues series in two Florentine guild halls

Huck wrote, We've the interesting feature, that the game Minchiate has a structure (4x20 + 16 + 1), in which the numbers 21 (as 20+1) and 16 (court cards) play a role. I am not sure where the 20 comes from. There are 10 number cards per suit, and another 40 that are trumps. I can think of more obvio...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

7. B order placement of the virtues in the framework of the Minchiate order, in matrix where the sequence descends by columns We cannot yet say whether it was the C order of virtues in a Minchiate framework that produced both the C orders and the A orders, or it was the A order in that framework th...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

6. The Cary-Yale cards in Minchiate order, except C order for the cardinal virtues, in a matrix where the sequence descends by columns To meet the conditions of my hypothesis, it is necessary to have a Minchiate-type order but with something like a C order of virtues, so as to have something from w...

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