Thanks for posting that notice, Alain. About your previous post: Some iconological discoveries made by Professor Andrea Vitali concerning Hanged Man and Tower cards were introduced by him in 1987 on the occasion of the exposition, Cards of the Court. Tarot. Games and Magici n the Estense Court , a l...

Interlibrary loan finally delivered the Ficino to me. I went to post the relevant material, and Ross had already done it, including the notes, much more comprehensively than I had planned to do. And thanks for supplying Ficino's Latin original as well as the English translation. I was wondering abou...

Just read the older thread, and saw that an intermediate Savoyard word "tarocs" could have accounted for a french tarot rather than taroque still granting an Italian priority. So scratch that. But it does still seem important to me that le Monde, and the Kings are "tarots" also - I feel like the "b...

Another example of Pythagoreanism being used in relation to the tarot, I think, is in Piscina's Discorso, 1565 Piedmont, although only about the four suits of Swords, Batons, Cups, and Coins. It sounds more Pythagorean in the original than in the published translation. He says: ora perchè più presto...

Ross wrote, Thierry discusses Germini/Minchiate on pp. 34-35 of his 2013 book, Le Tarot révélé. He puts the invention in the early 16th century, with an apparent terminus ante quem of 1515. He doesn't cite the evidence, and I can't recall the documentation for the Germini beginning on this date. I'l...

Ross: so when does Depaulis think minchiate was invented? That would help in knowing how long after the strambotto he would countenance for the numbers being added to the ChVI. Depaulis's 2007 article is online at http://www.academia.edu/30193559/Early_Italian_Lists_of_Tarot_Trumps_The_Playing-Card_...

Ross wrote, But he has clearly settled on circa 1460 and Florence now, so if the numbering is "slightly" later, then it is in nowise after 1500. I do not see how settling on c. 1460 changes anything. First, we don't know why he said "first half of the 16th century at the latest." It may have had som...

Thanks. No new discoveries. Just Depaulis 1984, in the paragraph just before the one already quoted from Alain's essay: "The figures shown are those readable, partially or not, at the top of the cards - except for the Hanged Man, where the figure is written at the bottom, 'upside down'. These Roman ...

As far as dating, besides the "vers 1460" of Depaulis, there is Phaeded here, who dates the deck to "right after the the 1478 Pazzi Conspiracy" (http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=20390#p20390) and Emilia Maggio, who dates it and the Catania to the "mid-1430s, to celebrate [Emperor] Sigis...

In the caption to the two "Charles VI" cards shown in Thierry Depaulis's 2013 [i\Le Tarot Révélée[/i], p. 21, the deck is dated as "vers 1460" ("around 1460"). No justification is given.