Renard wrote, now think I was wrong on two points. The first is that Fama is not represented on this card as a Virtue (she does not appear in any list of moral or social Virtues that I have been able to consult) but as a Domination, another angelic creature, of the same rank in the celestial hierarc...

I have another thing to say about the position of the Chariot card in Bologna, supporting the hypothesis that the Chariot was at the time of the Beaux Arts/Rothschild sheets among the last 12 triumphs. There is a tarocchi appropriati by Giulio Cesare Croce, 1602, cited by Giordano Berti in his essay...

My speculation is that Prudence with mirror and snake was originally in the deck and in Ferrara 12th in the order, out of 16 before the 5 between Devil and Sun were added. So Temperance would be 6th, Fortitude 9th, and Justice 15th. Prudence fills the missing space at 12. Then the duke, having probl...

Continued from preceding post: The next 2020 essay by Andrea Vitali, in Italian at http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=5, can be accessed in Google Translate's English by searching for "saggi letarot". That should put you at https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.letarot.it/p...

Now I turn to Andrea Vitali's essays in 2020. I want to emphasize that you can more or less read these essays for yourself in English and other languages by following my suggestions at http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1906. Essentially what you do is search on Google for "Saggi Leta...

I have a couple of comments regarding Andrea's 2019 essays. First, Maestri does not say that he is citing Leopoldo Cigognara. He also does not say that Bordigallo claims to have seen the 1484 deck. The verb Maestri uses is "ricorda", which is a vague term often just meaning "mentions". Even if it me...

The last essay by Andrea I summarized on this thread, except for one reported by Alain Bougearel and additions to a couple of other essays, was in January 2019 in post 62 at http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=20622#p20622. I want to continue where I left off, just after "Favola della Pape...

Thanks for bringing up Pratesi on Sicily. I can't believe I forgot about him. Nathaniel wrote: I make no mention of Prudence because I am talking about the first standard deck, or (to be more exact) the first standard trump order, which must have been the common ancestor of all the trump orders know...

Google Translate is now pretty good, good enough that, except for a few words here and there (which I've asked Andrea Vitali to explain in the text), the essays in Italian on the site LeTarot Associazione Culturale are readable in English, and probably other languages as well, when run through Googl...

Nathaniel wrote, The only major difficulty with your argument that Temperance-Justice-Fortitude was the primary Type A order is the Sicilian deck, which has Temperance-Fortitude-Justice, like Florence. The earliest Sicilian cards bear strong resemblance to the earliest Roman cards, so it is reasonab...