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Re: The trump labels of France

Noblet's labels, take 2 . Here is the table with the Viéville column added; thanks to MikeH for telling me where these labels came from. In the Italy column I've arranged the labels as Susio / Piscina // Alciato, however I've combined Susio and Piscina when they are the same, and I've translated Al...

Re: The trump labels of France

mikeh: Google isn't very good for finding things on this forum. It is better to use its own search function. The trick is to find the right search terms. It's amazing what won't work. Sometimes when you get to something you have to read posts before it that quote other posts, and search for uncommon...

Re: The three Zodiac cards in Noblet, and the Gemini in books of hours

Here is my reconstruction as good as it will probably get, until drawn by a better artist: all layers RH.png This is based on two concepts, 1) that the two sticks are part of a trellis structure that the lovers stand in front of, and 2) that the artist wished to be less explicit than the most explic...

Re: The trump labels of France

About the poem I translated as: Saint Peter makes my justice for the geezer, the fool, and the quack, For the lovers Dame Fortune has stumbled. The sound of the trumpet announces the destruction of the whole world. The Pope and Popess, The Emperor and Empress. The sun, the moon, and the stars. The s...

Re: The trump labels of France

I went over those cards, the ace of coins and the two of cups. Each line is followed, after "//", by the cards mentioned. top ace coins RW.PNG Pere . Sainct . Fait ~ Moy . Yustice . de ce . // VII - Yustice Vielart . Ma . E . Baga .// XI - Vielart / (Fool) Ma / (I) Baga Amoureux . de ~ ~ // VI - Amo...

Re: The three Zodiac cards in Noblet, and the Gemini in books of hours

Here is the idea of some sort of garden trellis that the lovers stand in front of. I plan to draw in the lovers and then as much of the trellis as their bodies don't cover, and hope you can still tell it is meant to be a trellis. background art RH595.png The worst problem is that the upper stick see...

Re: The trump labels of France

I imagine that if it has labels for Vieville, they are based on the names of the cards used in the poem on the Ace of Coins and Two of Cups which gives us the names of the cards as: Oops. Well this changes everything. I overlooked the writing on the ace of coins and two of cups. Back to the drawing...

The trump labels of France

This is a post in the Tarocchi Goes West series, but not about any particular trump. It is about the labels on French tarot cards, as opposed to the images on them. I will post it in four parts. Noblet's labels. Noblet copied 16 trumps, plus the fool, so closely from Viéville you can hardly tell the...

Re: Tarocchi goes west

Thanks so much for this. I have gotten pretty good with the "advanced search" at Gallica, but I knew nothing of Madragore. For the manuscripts in libraries in France other than the BnF, I have found a very good index called La Bibliothèque virtuelle des manuscrits médiévaux here: https://bvmm.irht.c...

Re: The three Zodiac cards in Noblet, and the Gemini in books of hours

I am not satisfied with any explanation for the two sticks: they are my worst sticking point. My only thought is that since there are two of them, it makes most sense to see them as related. If the lower one is a sort of garden border, then the upper one may be part of the same thing. There are lots...

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